Posted on 08/02/2007 3:06:40 PM PDT by neverdem
And Organic Milk is more money than I can afford.
I’m beginning to think that my kids could use less milk. They aren’t babies anymore. At seven, maybe juice in the morning is called for. A small amount, it’s pricey.
The funny thing is, at her last doctor’s visit, the conversation went like this...
We need to watch her weight
What do you suggest?
Cut out pop
She doesn’t drink pop
It’s juice
I can’t afford juice
Stop the koolaid
All of us are water drinkers, I always have sports bottles in the fridge, one empties, it’s a dishwasher and refill
Cut out snacks
She doesn’t eat snacks and I portion her food 1/3 of mine
Cut out sugared breakfast cereal
We eat oatmeal with raisins, no sugar or toast
She needs more veggies
She is the veggie eater in the house. Spinach is her fav
Get her exercising
I can’t get her to stop
Well, YOU must be doing something wrong!
They look at me and see the extra pounds then her sister who has dad’s body type and figure that she is sitting in front of the tv eating bon bons. She is the one who pulls her sister out of the house. She hates tv unless the Wii is on and she is playing tennis. Yet she doesn’t fit the mold so I am lying. I studied nutrition in college, I know how to do it.
Needless to say, we need a new doctor.
I think this is part of it.
We were told for years, high carb, low fat.
Society has gone to processed foods, a lot. Hidden carbs.
Eating more is the key for some people. More of the good stuff. When we have people who think the solution is “eat less/move more” simply, it sabotages overweight people.
More bread is bad. More spinich is great.
When I ate nothing (seriously, nothing) by the third day, I could pull a marathon. The energy boost was unbelievable. My hair fell out, my electrolytes blew, I fainted at work, but I was thin and could move mountains.
It takes tons of energy to digest food.
If we teach people to eat right, and more right, they would find that digesting salad burns calories. Fill it with bread and carbs and we have a problem. And two hours on a treadmill burns how many calories? Exercise is manditory but not the total solution.
Read the “Little House” books. One winter, they had nearly nothing to eat. If it was calories in to calories out, they would have all died. Something was going on there. Today, the whole family would be fat.
One of my friends told me this week that she’s drinking raw milk. That gives me the willies, what with tuberculosis moving back into the South.
I don’t care for milk, so I take lots of calcium supplements. Got to be thinking about osteoporosis, at my age ...
Girls over 10 or so need iron more than calcium.
It’s an addiction, so the pill-pushers are still in the clear. ;’)
I think there ought to be research--and to do that, we have to get beyond the pejoratives.
Seeing these overweight kids is distressing for me. I think of their joints--
But it seems to make other people so hateful and nasty--particularly men.
Sex.
Obesity makes a woman sexually unavailable, so men hate her.
You don't see women posting fat pictures of women all over FR, to jeer and deride.
I can’t afford organic milk, make that organic anything, either. :)
I have been paying closer attention to labels and did find a brand of milk at a local store that says it comes from cows not treated with rBST/rBGH. It’s the same price as the usual 1% brand I buy so I’m switching to that.
I agree. I think it’s time for you to switch doctors. Sounds like you’re doing everything just right. People don’t come from cookie cutters, Doctor.
The earlier puberty among girls is another example. Some people think it's the hormones produced by processed foods.
I worked in fastfood for a few years, I learned that eliminating sugared drinks does nothing, but that’s because most of the people who do that do nothing else to lose weight. Honestly the typical diet coke order at McDs went through the drive through, was a supersized value meal, included a desert, and often times even had an extra sandwich. And these people would go out of their way to tell you they were drinking the diet coke so they could lose weight. You lose a lot of respect for the general public working fastfood. And of course your folks in Weight Watchers probably won’t be in that crowd.
I’m not sure how much education it takes. I think we have enough common sense that if we honestly assess ourselves we know what we’re doing wrong, not just when it comes to the scale and waistline but everything. When I decided to really do something about my weight I just watched myself for a couple weeks, a couple of really depressing weeks, the hard part was not actually adjusting my patterns during the analysis because that would let me lie to myself (again voice of experience, it’s really easy to behave for a couple weeks and then say “see I’m not that bad”). In the end it was all really obvious: too much soda, too many snacks, too many of my snacks were crap, too much plate cleaning (ie not stopping eating when I was full), and of course not enough exercise. Maybe some folks need a little time with a nutritionalist to learn what a balanced meal is, but I think most of us have all the information we need already in our heads, we’ve just been choosing to ignore it.
The same way it seems many of them hate women who have babies:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1875743/posts?q=1&;page=1#1
I’m going to look for that!
What, do they get paid by the word?
“My goodness! People are fat because they eat too much and don’t exercise? Who’da thunkit?”
Some are, but not all. As I said on another thread, I’ve known people who eat like horses and never put a pound on, and others who eat less than I do and pack the pounds on. I’m one of those people in the middle - if I watch what I eat and get some exercise I can keep my weight down to a reasonable level, although I still tend to be at the upper end of the “normal” BMI range. If I don’t my weight can quite easily take off. I probably have less excuse for carrying an extra 20 lbs than some of the 300 pounders out there do for their size.
Honestly anybody that doesn’t know about eat less and move more is stupid, or is in denial which means they actually know it they just aren’t acting on it. On the logical level, just talking the knowledge part here not the actual doing, weight control is really simple. It really honestly IS eat less exercise more, for better results you can add in make less of what you eat crap but again it’s pretty obvious. Anybody that would eat 8 ounces of Doritos instead a of large salad and think they should be losing weight that way is a moron, and I don’t just mean that in the insulting way I also imply the clinical diagnosis they might need a managed care facility. Anybody with the brains of a sixth grader knows salad is healthier than Doritos, heck even the stuff people of my mid-western heritage call salad (you know, macaroni salad, potato salad, other mayonnaise delivery systems) is healthier than most snack chips and any kid knows it.
And there’s a reason I’m pushing against you here, and it’s not just cussedness or rudeness. I think “it’s complicated” and “it’s hard” are two of the most often used excuses in this country and two of the lamest. And when people start tossing those excuses around for others to grasp it’s enabling, and we really shouldn’t enable bad habits. Sure there are hard parts to it, reducing your appetite is an unpleasant experience, exercise sucks, staying dedicated to the entire process for the months it takes to hit a goal takes a mental toughness most people don’t think they have (but they probably do). But it’s not complicated, it’s not hard to figure out. Losing weight is something anybody overweight reading this thread can start doing right now, all they have to do is not eat that next snack, don’t drink that next soda, and do a little walking during their next break. No that’s not going to result in anybody weighing 5 less pounds tomorrow, but it all starts with 1 less calorie taken in and 1 more calorie burned.
The starvation factor isn’t put into it because that’s a violation of it. Like the shrink said in the latest season of Celebrity Fit Club (guilty pleasure, I admit seeing celebrities, even B and C listers, struggle with their weight makes me feel better in a way that’s probably not psychologically healthy, but I always lose weight when I’m watching the show) “it’s eat LESS not eat nearly nothing”. Part of the eat less exercise more weight loss method is teaching yourself a new lifestyle so that when you reach your target you don’t balloon back. It’s not a crash diet, it’s not a quick fix, it’s not a temporary change, it is a new way of living. If she’s going into starvation mode then she’s not doing eat less exercise more.
I suspect you have not read the posts here.
Or you have never experienced a “plateau” in you dieting.
Sorry, but calling people stupid and morons is crass.
And stating that it’s not an insult is sugar coating it.
Dip a poo in chocolate and it’s still a poo.
And let me tell you, when I went from fat to thin at 27, I thought anyone could do it too. I learned my lesson after those two kids.
Your comment about motorized carts is significant. Very, very few of the people I see driving these around Walmart and Lowes are thin. The one who are thin are usually on oxygen.
That's anecdotal, but when you watch two scrawny teenagers stand at a fridge and inhale a hundred dollar's worth of groceries, only to veg out on TV for a weekend...and still look pathetic and underfed...
This is the way kids used to be--they could do just about anything and stay thin. Now they can't--
And your suspicions would be wrong. Read the posts, read many similar threads, and I tolerated at least 3 major (multi-week) plateaus in my dieting. One of the things I found interesting during the plateaus was that while the scale didn’t move I actually generally lost girth so my watchband and belt and stuff would get loser.
It is crass, it is an insult, but it’s also true. Anybody that doesn’t know Doritos are not as good a food for you as salad IS a moron.
Let me tell you I KNOW with absolute certainty that anybody without a medical problem CAN become not fat. I already said thin is out for many people, your body type is your body type and fighting against it is a path to madness, but there’s a very small number of people in this world whose body type is obese. It can be dealt with, the person just has to put the effort into it and use what God put between their ears to start making good decisions.
There probably are some differences in the food but I doubt that’s the majority of it. For one thing all of us are wired a little bit differently with different metabolic rates and food allergies and such, there really is very little absolute consistency. And it’s not like there was a lack of fat kids before, there were plenty when I was growing up, but society wasn’t as addicted to the idea of social “epidemics” like it is now.
I think some kids still can hoover vast quantities of food do nothing and stay skinny, of course the question comes in on what happens to them in adulthood. I was one of those kids growing up, wasn’t into exercise and my mom referred to me as the bottomless pit. Then I hit 25, the situation changed then. Which is part of the problem for figuring out if there’s some external cause, not only is each of us slightly different from each other, but each of us was different and will be different at various stages in our life.
You probably don’t want to pay my husband’s medical bills either. He smokes.
Or my nephew’s medical bills. He’s gay.
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