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Beyond Mesopotamia: A Radical New View Of Human Civilization Reported In Science
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| 8-2-2007
| American Association For Advancement Of Science/Andrew Lawler
Posted on 08/02/2007 2:55:22 PM PDT by blam
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...many civilized urban areas existed at the same time about 5,000 years ago in an arc that extended from Mesopotamia east for thousands of kilometers across to the areas of modern India and Pakistan.. This is more consistent with my view that the first civilizations are even older and the Indus and Mesopotamian civilizations were spawned by ancient civilizations that sank when Sundaland went underwater at the end of the Last Ice Age. Wise Men From The East and all.
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posted on
08/02/2007 2:55:27 PM PDT
by
blam
To: SunkenCiv
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posted on
08/02/2007 2:56:55 PM PDT
by
blam
(Secure the border and enforce the law)
To: blam
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posted on
08/02/2007 2:58:10 PM PDT
by
blam
(Secure the border and enforce the law)
To: blam
There was a great Flood in Sundaland?
To: blam
I am always convinced that there was a civilization that predated Mesopotamia. It would be in present day India to Indonesia.
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:03:22 PM PDT
by
Ptarmigan
(Bunnies=Sodomites)
To: blam
This is more consistent with my view that the first civilizations are even older and the Indus and Mesopotamian civilizations were spawned by ancient civilizations that sank when Sundaland went underwater at the end of the Last Ice Age. Wise Men From The East and all.
Could the fabled city of Atlantis be one of them?
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:03:23 PM PDT
by
mutley
To: blam
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:05:07 PM PDT
by
LiteKeeper
(Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
To: mutley; blam
Could the fabled city of Atlantis be one of them?My money's on Minas Tirith...
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:08:01 PM PDT
by
Old Sarge
(This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
To: Old Sarge
My money's on Minas Tirith...
Okay...but what is that?
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:10:09 PM PDT
by
mutley
To: mutley
"Could the fabled city of Atlantis be one of them?" Sundaland may have been Atlantis.
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:12:30 PM PDT
by
blam
(Secure the border and enforce the law)
To: mutley
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:16:52 PM PDT
by
blam
(Secure the border and enforce the law)
To: blam
Sundaland may have been Atlantis.
It would certainly make sense out of the historical record. And the immediate production of language, writing and engineering. I have a hard time seeing the Giza pyramids as the result of attempts at construction.
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:19:09 PM PDT
by
mutley
To: mutley
I’m thinking that Minas Tirith was the capitol of the land of Gondor, in Middle Earth.
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:21:00 PM PDT
by
David Isaac
(Duncan Hunter '08)
To: David Isaac
Im thinking that Minas Tirith was the capitol of the land of Gondor, in Middle Earth.
Ah...now I see. Thanks.
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:23:12 PM PDT
by
mutley
To: blam
Many urban centers crossed arc of Middle Asia 5,000 years ago
Maybe they knew some little places to go to... Where they never closed... Downtown.
To: blam
extended from Mesopotamia east for thousands of kilometers across to the areas of modern India and Pakistan.I believe that they are talking about pre-Persion Iran.
To: Old Sarge
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:33:10 PM PDT
by
Valpal1
("I know the fittest have not survived when I watch Congress on CSPAN.")
To: Ptarmigan; blam
Advanced pictoglyphic systems were developed even earlier in Finland/Russia and Inner Mongolia.
There's gotta' be a cold, dry period sometime about 4000BC that drives these people and the reindeer and muskox herds they lived on South into Mesopotamia and the Huang Ho/Yangtse river systems where they could, in short order, expand those systems (and their accounting methods) into hieroglyphic writing.
All the rest of civilization would then arise out of the settled living and agricultural traditions of the folks from the South.
However, a civilization without some form of writing is just short of being a civilization.
Note, by hypothesizing a cold, dry period we can neatly get rid of the settled traditions in Ukraine. Those folks would have simply died out or found themselves reduced to being hunter/gatherers unable to maintain settlements.
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:35:26 PM PDT
by
muawiyah
To: blam
in an arc that extended from Mesopotamia east for thousands of kilometers across to the areas of modern India and Pakistan,
Is this another way of saying, what has been used for a very long time as the "fertile crescent"?
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:35:41 PM PDT
by
mutley
To: samtheman
Maybe they knew some little places to go to... Where they never closed... Downtown....where people are all the same...a place to go where everybody knows your name.
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posted on
08/02/2007 3:36:32 PM PDT
by
yankeedame
("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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