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Students must remember 'God' in Texas pledge (God wins in Texas)
Houston Chronicle ^

Posted on 08/02/2007 8:14:32 AM PDT by SConservative

Texas students will have four more words to remember when they head back to class this month and begin reciting the state's pledge of allegiance.

This year's Legislature added the phrase "one state under God" to the pledge, which is part of a required morning ritual in Texas public schools along with the pledge to the U.S. flag and a moment of silence.

State Rep. Debbie Riddle, who sponsored the bill, said it had always bothered her that God was omitted in the state's pledge.

"Personally, I felt like the Texas pledge had a big old hole in it, and it occurred to me, 'You know what? We need to fix that,' " said Riddle, R-Tomball. "Our Texas pledge is perfectly OK like it is with the exception of acknowledging that just as we are one nation under God, we are one state under God as well."

By law, students who object to saying the pledge or making the reference to God can bring a written note from home excusing them from participating.

But adding that phrase has drawn criticism from some who say it's unneccesary and potentially harmful to children who don't share the same religious beliefs. "Most Texans do not need to say this new version of the pledge in order to be either patriotic or religious," said Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. "This is the kind of politicking of religion that disturbs many Americans, including those who are deeply religious."

The revised wording in the Texas pledge took effect on June 15, and the Texas Education Agency sent an e-mail reminding school districts about the change earlier this week.

Officials with Houston-area districts say they will notify schools and parents about the new requirement.

Rebecca Suarez, spokeswoman for the Houston Independent School District, said a letter about the change will be sent home to parents when their children return to school. And a flier with the pledge's revised wording will be sent to each campus before classes start.

Texas has had a pledge of allegiance since 1933. In 2003, the Legislature required all schools to pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flags and observe a moment of silence every morning at the beginning of classes.

Texas isn't the only state that has its own pledge of allegiance. Other states include Michigan, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana and Kentucky.

Mississippi and Louisiana mention God in their pledges. And Kentucky lays claim to being blessed with "grace from on High."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: democrats; god; honorthetexasflag; pledgeofallegiance; praisegod; religion; republicans; texaspledge; undergod
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To: SConservative
Including "under God" in the pledge is completely constitutional. Any unconstitutionality would only occur if you force someone to say the pledge against their will.

The liberal myth that including "under God" in the pledge is a violation of the establishment clause is in complete disagreement with almost every ruling by almost any court for the first one hundred eighty years of our republic. The liberal revision of the first amendment in practice today is not the correct view of the first amendmnent any more than the hyper-expanded view of the fourteenth amendment is the view that those lawmakers had in mind when they put it into law.

The hyper-expanded view of the fourteenth amendment is simply an underhanded tool for judicial activists on the court to be used by the far left to deconstruct America and shove their top-down, centralized, coercive secular humanistic vision into its place.

41 posted on 08/02/2007 12:01:58 PM PDT by OriginalIntent (Undo the ACLU revision of the Constitution. If you agree with the ACLU revisions, you are a liberal)
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To: OriginalIntent

Would you change your view about the 14th if the Texas legislature suffered from a spontaneous mental illness that made gun possession illegal in Texas?


42 posted on 08/02/2007 12:08:31 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: ElectricStrawberry

“CONGRESS” didn’t do anything.
The Legislature of the Sovereign State of TEXAS did.


43 posted on 08/02/2007 12:12:11 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 ("Fred for Prez in 08'")
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To: TexanByBirth

How True.....:)


44 posted on 08/02/2007 12:18:16 PM PDT by TexConfederate1861 ("Fred for Prez in 08'")
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To: Locomotive Breath
I gather you support using a law to make a little kid say one but not the other. As if forcing people to say one or the other will have some kind of effect anyway.

Yes, I do, since "making a little kid say" something isn't "establishment of religion".

45 posted on 08/02/2007 12:27:11 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Then what’s the effect?


46 posted on 08/02/2007 12:38:11 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
Yes, I do, since "making a little kid say" something isn't "establishment of religion".

If public school started making your child say "this country is under some deity you didn't believe in", would you object? (Assuming you have a child, of course.)

I'm from a place and generation where our public school homeroom class started each school day with a Bible reading. Usually the teacher let those students who wanted to do this pick out what they wanted to read and then read it out loud to the class. Then our homeroom teacher (and at least one other teacher) apparently found out that I was not Christian. The homeroom teacher then assigned me to read from the Bible. I had a couple of minutes to pick something to read. I had to ask friends what to read.

If that were to happen to me today, I would simply tell the teacher I didn't want to do it. But I didn't have the maturity then that I have now. There is a lot of peer pressure on a child to conform and not appear different.

I survived this mild episode, of course, but having the teacher do this made it tougher on me to refuse at the time. The teacher was well intentioned, but her action simply steeled me against people who try to impose their beliefs on others.

47 posted on 08/02/2007 1:16:21 PM PDT by rustbucket
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To: TexConfederate1861

If you think Texas is really sovereign then try reinstituting the institution of slavery.


48 posted on 08/02/2007 2:17:07 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: SConservative

Potentially harmful? It wasn’t potentially harmful to the kids I grew up with, and probably not to anyone any of us knows. This is such PC bullcrap. I, for one, am tired of the victimhood we’re seeing all over the place now. We NEED Texans all over the US, with BIG hats! Love em.


49 posted on 08/02/2007 4:28:47 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: humantech

A few of us women did a great study in “Java with the Judges.” I was amazed at how often the Israelites did evil in the sight of the Lord and how often he eventually, after they had to suffer for a few years, brought a ‘judge’ to rescue them. I loved that study. I got so much out of it and out of God’s love for all of us. I do believe He is withdrawing his protection from us and we may soon feel that. Sad, isn’t it? We have so much and still spit in His face.


50 posted on 08/02/2007 4:31:32 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: ohioman

THAT man is evil. He’s the devil’s right hand man (Lynn). I can’t bear to look at him.


51 posted on 08/02/2007 4:32:43 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: BellStar
Me too!

I have a vested interest in Texas....my son moved there after college to start a job, and calls it home!
He truly loves Texas.

52 posted on 08/03/2007 5:01:52 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President 2008!!!)
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To: Locomotive Breath

We don’t need slaves anymore. And each state IS sovereign.
I suggest you read some of the writings of the Founding Fathers.


53 posted on 08/03/2007 5:50:44 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 ("Fred for Prez in 08'")
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To: Guenevere

Texas is a truly unique place. And it grows on you! :)


54 posted on 08/03/2007 5:51:56 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861 ("Fred for Prez in 08'")
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To: BellStar

“Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.”


55 posted on 08/03/2007 5:58:08 AM PDT by deport ( Cue Spooky Music...)
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To: newconhere

Plano bump! (Middle East Plano that is)


56 posted on 08/03/2007 6:00:18 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: ElectricStrawberry

is “God” a specific religion?


57 posted on 08/03/2007 6:01:28 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Locomotive Breath

Please specify which Constitutionally-guaranteed right this abrogates.


58 posted on 08/03/2007 6:22:43 AM PDT by thulldud ("Para inglés, oprima el dos.")
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To: TexConfederate1861
We don’t need slaves anymore.

(a) Irrelevant to the argument.

(b) That's not what was being said in 1861.

(c) Today you have the illegal Mexicans who perform the same function so it seems you need them after all.

History didn't stop in 1776. I suggest you read the history of the Civil War where all states lost their sovereignty.
59 posted on 08/03/2007 7:29:24 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: thulldud

Read what I wrote.

The Constitution overrides any law that Texas chooses to pass.


60 posted on 08/03/2007 7:30:28 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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