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Students must remember 'God' in Texas pledge (God wins in Texas)
Houston Chronicle ^

Posted on 08/02/2007 8:14:32 AM PDT by SConservative

Texas students will have four more words to remember when they head back to class this month and begin reciting the state's pledge of allegiance.

This year's Legislature added the phrase "one state under God" to the pledge, which is part of a required morning ritual in Texas public schools along with the pledge to the U.S. flag and a moment of silence.

State Rep. Debbie Riddle, who sponsored the bill, said it had always bothered her that God was omitted in the state's pledge.

"Personally, I felt like the Texas pledge had a big old hole in it, and it occurred to me, 'You know what? We need to fix that,' " said Riddle, R-Tomball. "Our Texas pledge is perfectly OK like it is with the exception of acknowledging that just as we are one nation under God, we are one state under God as well."

By law, students who object to saying the pledge or making the reference to God can bring a written note from home excusing them from participating.

But adding that phrase has drawn criticism from some who say it's unneccesary and potentially harmful to children who don't share the same religious beliefs. "Most Texans do not need to say this new version of the pledge in order to be either patriotic or religious," said Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. "This is the kind of politicking of religion that disturbs many Americans, including those who are deeply religious."

The revised wording in the Texas pledge took effect on June 15, and the Texas Education Agency sent an e-mail reminding school districts about the change earlier this week.

Officials with Houston-area districts say they will notify schools and parents about the new requirement.

Rebecca Suarez, spokeswoman for the Houston Independent School District, said a letter about the change will be sent home to parents when their children return to school. And a flier with the pledge's revised wording will be sent to each campus before classes start.

Texas has had a pledge of allegiance since 1933. In 2003, the Legislature required all schools to pledge allegiance to the U.S. and Texas flags and observe a moment of silence every morning at the beginning of classes.

Texas isn't the only state that has its own pledge of allegiance. Other states include Michigan, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana and Kentucky.

Mississippi and Louisiana mention God in their pledges. And Kentucky lays claim to being blessed with "grace from on High."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: democrats; god; honorthetexasflag; pledgeofallegiance; praisegod; religion; republicans; texaspledge; undergod
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To: SConservative

It’s about time Texas did something.


21 posted on 08/02/2007 9:57:24 AM PDT by freekitty
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To: Locomotive Breath
States cannot choose to abrogate rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Or are you saying that Texas is immune from the Bill of Rights?

And what right do you think Texas is violating?

22 posted on 08/02/2007 9:59:00 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: SConservative

YAY TEXAS :)


23 posted on 08/02/2007 9:59:09 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President 2008!!!)
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To: SConservative

I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible.[1]


24 posted on 08/02/2007 9:59:21 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: neodad

“Honor the Texas Flag of 1836; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one and indivisible.” Will this go here “one state under God ?” I hope one and indivisible is not removed!


25 posted on 08/02/2007 10:01:37 AM PDT by BellStar ("We recognize no Sovereign but God and no King but Jesus.")
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To: Guenevere

“Honor the Texas Flag, I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one and indivisible.” Will this go here “one state under God ?” I hope one and indivisible is not removed! But I love “one state under God”.


26 posted on 08/02/2007 10:04:12 AM PDT by BellStar ("We recognize no Sovereign but God and no King but Jesus.")
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To: SConservative

“”But adding that phrase has drawn criticism from some who say it’s unneccesary and potentially harmful to children who don’t share the same religious beliefs. “Most Texans do not need to say this new version of the pledge in order to be either patriotic or religious,” said Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. “”

Whenever there is news that is positive about religon, you will always see this clown Barry Lynn. Anton Levay was not near as evil as this guy.


27 posted on 08/02/2007 10:07:33 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: ohioman

“Whenever there is news that is positive about religon, you will always see this clown Barry Lynn. Anton Levay was not near as evil as this guy.”

I know. He’s a 4-star fruitcake.


28 posted on 08/02/2007 10:13:11 AM PDT by SConservative
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

“And what right do you think Texas is violating?”

Texas isn’t violating any rights. Just like all our federal currency shows ‘In God We Trust’ on it and the federal Pledge does the same, so it’s totally appropriate that Texans honor God in their daily state Pledge recital. Anyone who opposes this is either an atheist or just isn’t thinking clearly.


29 posted on 08/02/2007 10:15:23 AM PDT by SConservative
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
The earlier posters said...

Something about “Congress shall make no law....” comes to mind.

Check context. This is about Texas, not the Federal Congress.

I never said that Texas was, necessarily, violating someone's rights. I did say that the Bill of Rights was relevant to the discussion even though it was Texas taking the action and not the Federal government.
30 posted on 08/02/2007 10:17:08 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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One last thing that you will all find of interest: this was approved in the Texas House of Representatives on a 124-12 vote and in the Texas Senate on a 29-0 vote. Not even competitive.

GOD BLESS TEXAS!


31 posted on 08/02/2007 10:17:53 AM PDT by SConservative
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To: HamiltonJay
“one nation under God” was not added to the national pledge until the 50s.

And thanks to that addition, children that grew up reciting the pledge during the 1950s became the conservative, God-fearing young adults in the late 60s of the Baby Boom generation...er, wait...no they didn't.

32 posted on 08/02/2007 10:18:13 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Locomotive Breath; ElectricStrawberry

Sorry, my #22 should have been directed to ES!


33 posted on 08/02/2007 10:20:14 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
And what right do you think Texas is violating?

Requiring anyone to say this pledge violates the First Amendment establishment clause, which has been interpreted for a long time by the Supreme Court as applying to the states as well as Congress. It wasn't interpreted that way by the Founders, but it is currently the law of the land.

I don't know whether saying a child can get out of saying it by bringing a note from home is enough to exempt this law from being ruled unconstitutional.

34 posted on 08/02/2007 10:49:05 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
The First Amendment establishment clause has never been applied to the Pledge and for that reason I think Texas
is safe.
35 posted on 08/02/2007 10:59:29 AM PDT by BellStar ("We recognize no Sovereign but God and no King but Jesus.")
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To: ansel12

So.....State legislatures are allowed to freely violate Constitutional rights? Constitutional rights can only be violated by the FedGov?
Guvna can suspend habeus corpus all he wants ‘cause he’s not “the feds”? Staties can search you all they want ‘cause they’re not federal marshalls? Texas can establish a state religion because, afterall, they’re not the fedgov? TX can shut down the Houston Chronicle because the Constitution only applies to violations by the fedgov? TX can take away all your firearms ‘cause they’re not the ATF?

You think the Supremes would agree or would the Supremes rule that local governments cannot violate your Constitutional rights either??

As stated, I have no problem with God being in the Pledge or any other pledge, but making it “mandatory by law” just doesn’t fly right.


36 posted on 08/02/2007 11:05:21 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (1/27 Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: BellStar

The Supreme Court has found procedural grounds to punt the issue and has never actually ruled on the merits.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/14/scotus.pledge/


37 posted on 08/02/2007 11:12:06 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: ElectricStrawberry

IIRC, the 14th amendment applies federal protection of rights to states.

My main question in all this is, “How is putting ‘God’ in the Pledge an establishment of religion?” Are people these days aware of what the term “establishment” even means, anymore?


38 posted on 08/02/2007 11:21:08 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

There is no God - you must not acknowledge him.

There is a God - you must acknowledge him.


I gather you support using a law to make a little kid say one but not the other. As if forcing people to say one or the other will have some kind of effect anyway.


39 posted on 08/02/2007 11:29:17 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: in hoc signo vinces
The Chron is the most liberal, anti-God, bird cage lining paper in the state of Texas.

Nope, maybe the second most liberal!

The Austin Unamerican Statesrag takes the top title. It is not even fit to wrap the toxic fish out of Town Lake (oops, excuse me! Lady Bird Lake) in it!
40 posted on 08/02/2007 11:47:10 AM PDT by TexanByBirth (San Antonio Spurs - 2007 NBA Champions!)
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