Posted on 08/01/2007 8:46:09 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
“Its an intriguing Idea, I wonder how it would work.”
- Well, I seem to remember reading about an inventor back in the thirties who made a killing fleecing investors because he claimed that he could put a small additive into water and it would fuel a car. He even had a workable demonstration model. Unfortunately, the small additive in the water turned out to be liquid acetylene (used in welding torches). In water, it too, will perform like gasoline. However, it has the distressing habit of melting all the cylinders so after a short time, the engine also became welded together and seized up.
I have a HALF Lhasa-Apso HALF Shih-tzu I call a Lotsa Shitzoo.....
I suspect it is possible that winged monkeys may fly out your ass, but not highly probable.
Saw a steam turbine about 1975 that ran on water, made steam from the water with its own energy output, and condensed the steam to water so it could be used again. They had to put all kinds of loads on the generator to keep it from running out of control and exploding from centrifugal forces.
No kidding. They had a picture of it in a magazine lighting up a wall of lightbulbs.
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It all depends on where I choose to eat out, I suppose... :)
Seems to me with all of the brains we have here in this thread, we could solve the energy crisis overnight.
Are there any takers or are we just all nay sayers?
ABSOLUTELY NOT POSSIBLE.
There had to be a hidden heat source to make the steam. A steam turbine/generator has ~35%-42% effcciency converting steam energy to electricity, depending upon the initial steam pressure/temperature. That alone guarantees that this little concept is impossible, because after just a few cycles, the initial energy would be totally expended in losses.
Energy at start = 1.0
Energy available to make condensed water back to steam at end of first cycle = 0.42
Energy available at end of second cycle = 0.42*0.42 =0.1764
Energy available at end of thrid cycle = 0.42*0.1764 = 0.075
Energy available at end of fourth cycle = 0.42* 0.075 = 0.031
and so one. After 4 cycles there is only 3% of the initial energy left to boil the water, therefore there had to be an external heat source to boile the water again. Just like a real world power plant. That guy was a scammer pulling one of the older industrial age scams, the perpetual motion machine.
It can work in a carbureted system as well, but it’s really quirky for the average driver. More hasslle than it’s worth.
Simply amazing, the’ve broken the laws of thermodynamics!
Defeating the laws of gravity is far easier than beating the laws of thermodynamics.
Hey, if you like the sounds of this stuffff, by all means, invest away your life savings. My money is in gas & oil.
Thanks for pointing out something nobody realized. We would shut down the turbine if we knew how. The old man died and never told us how to shut the thing off. I suppose we could just take the load offline and let it over rev and explode, but Homeland Security would have us filling out forms for a week.
A friend has a bull terrrier/shih tzu mix, a bull shih-tz.
Nay sayers then I guess.
I can create hydrogen and oxygen from saltwater using nothing but electricity and get it to burn with a very hot flame, bypassing the whole RF generator step.
I'll bet you have plenty of snake oil on hand, too.
If and I stress "IF" the RF energy broke the bonds of the sodium in the salt then the pure sodium in water makes for some serious BOOM power(remembering HS chem class where my 150 year old maid science teacher dropped way too much sodium in a beaker of water and BOOM).
Again, the big if is if less energy is expended separating the Sodium bonds then is released when the sodium combines with water liberating Hydrogen then he is on to something. Unfortunately all the IFs usually = No Way.
Just a nay sayer.
Fuel cells.
Those of us who took thermodynamics actually understand why to be naysayers. By your own admission, you know nothing about this stuff (and say you don't care, but are still psoting away with great ignorance), and cannot comprehend the laws of thermodynamics and why they prove this is not possible. Us "naysayers" as you like to call us, we know better, thank you. Have a nice day.
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