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To: Ignatz
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Twelve reasons not to see Harry Potter Movies
http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/HP-Movie.htm

1. God shows us that witchcraft, sorcery, spells, divination and magic are evil.
2. The movie’s foundation in fantasy, not reality, doesn’t diminish its power to change beliefs and values.
3. Each occult image and suggestion prompts the audience to feel more at home in this setting.

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271 posted on 08/01/2007 12:03:36 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Please give me your thoughts on this article...

Do YOU agree with it? If so, why did you see all the movies?
279 posted on 08/01/2007 12:09:32 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Twelve reasons not to see Harry Potter Movies

Do you apply these same standards to LOTR, Narnia, Wizard of Oz?

283 posted on 08/01/2007 12:11:16 PM PDT by js1138
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To: PetroniusMaximus
From the website:
1. God shows us that witchcraft, sorcery, spells, divination and magic are evil.
"There shall not be found among you anyone who... practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord..." Deuteronomy 18:9-12
Ok, I believe what it says: those who PRACTICE ACTUAL WITCHCRAFT are NOT Christians in the eyes of the Lord. Maybe you do, but I do not personally know anyone who began practicing actual witchcraft due to the influence of Harry Potter books and/or movies. Do YOU know anyone, personally, who has done so?

2. The movie's foundation in fantasy, not reality, doesn't diminish its power to change beliefs and values.
"But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward." Jeremiah 7:24
That first is an OPINION about a FILM. The same could be said for that old claymation show, Davy and Goliath, with the Christian boy and his TALKING DOG! You do realize that in the practice of Voodoo, it is common to cast spells that cause animals to speak in human voices, don't you? So, is Davy and Goliath trying to convert children away from Christianity and towards Voodoo? COULD it cause them to seek out information about Voodoo? What about your TALKING VEGETABLES in Veggie Tales? That's certainly "founded in fantasy", is it not?
The verse cited is taken out of context and does NOT even support the opinion. God does not assume we are all to stupid to use the gift of free will He gave us.

3. Each occult image and suggestion prompts the audience to feel more at home in this setting.
BZZZZT! An OPINION once more. Perhaps the author felt this way. I certainly did not. Continues:
"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness.... Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, And prudent in their own sight!" Isaiah 5:2-21
Fortunately, it says NOTHING about those who call the "harmlessly entertaining" evil!

4. God tells us to "abhor what is evil" and "cling to what is good
This one asuumes that Harry Potter movies are evil. It tries ti use the premise to support itself. It is circular logic.

5. Immersed in Hogwarts' beliefs and values, children learn to ignore or reinterpret God's truth.
Not MY children. They are growing up with an understanding of God. They are of strong Christian minds and can discern.

6. This inner change is usually unconscious, for the occult lessons and impressions tend to bypass rational scrutiny
As does belief that Harry Potter movies have a bigger impact on children than a loving, Christian home.

Look, I read every one of the reasons on that website and I can't find a single PROOF that Harry Potter books and movies are designed the thwart the will of God and/or cause children to turn away from God. Furthermore, even if that WAS the case, children properly raised in loving, Christian homes have little if anything at all to fear.
I could use those exact same arguments to "reason" that that watching a David Copperfield's "magic" act is equally dangerous.

344 posted on 08/01/2007 12:44:33 PM PDT by Ignatz (NPC's have feelings, too!)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

1 - non sequitur, since there isn’t that stuff in the HP books God’s opinion on such stuff doesn’t apply
2 - more of the same non sequitur, that bad stuff isn’t there so it’s potential “effect” on the audience is non-existent
3 - more of the same, there aren’t occult images and suggestions
4 - more of the same, HP isn’t evil, and saying it over and over doesn’t make it so, if repetition made a lie truth then there really would be global warming and the Clinton presidency would have been the most honorable of the 20th century
5 - Laughably idiotic and, like everything else on that site, completely without truth or proof
6 - Always a favorite of the “it’s evil” crowd, “it’s an inner change”, basically an argument that just exists to allow the arguer to ignore the millions of people who’ve done just what they say you shouldn’t and suffered none of the consequences they insist are inevitable, it’s the worst kind of paranormal pseudo-logic that allows them to insist they’re right even after they’ve been proven wrong
7 - Absolutely ridiculous, the idea that action figures making something a belief system is just silly
8 - Utterly false, there is no implied source behind Harry’s magical feats and there are no occult practices, we’ve been over this you should stop quoting liars, isn’t there something in Revelations about the appearance of liars claiming to do God’s work? Well these people are lying like politicians 10 points down in the polls
9 - Wow do they ever pile up the silliness, of course it’s no surprise they started with a false assumption (and we all know about ass-u-me don’t we) and then put a bunch of logical fallacies on top of it
10 - More silliness, there’s nothing anti-God about HP
11 - funny a bunch of bald faced liars whining about the occasional rule bending in HP, I don’t remember the kids out right lying
12 - back to the old non sequiturs

So just like your other stuff your “proof” proves nothing, is from a source that demonstrably knows nothing about HP or the occult. And you push it forth like it has meaning when it clearly does not. No surprise there, sadly enough. The condemners never bother themselves with silly things like truth, logic, research or knowledge, they just spew lies and repeat them.


364 posted on 08/01/2007 12:55:09 PM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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