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Merchants: AK-47s good for business; Critics fear powerful rifles might land in wrong hands
herald online ^ | 07/26/07 | Adam O'Daniel

Posted on 07/26/2007 8:46:27 AM PDT by holymoly

The same type of gun commonly used by Iraqi security forces is legally being sold to civilians in Rock Hill.

Surprised? Don't be. It's been happening for years in York County, and more stores are offering AK-47 assault rifles as their popularity grows among collectors since federal restrictions on their sales were lifted in 2004.

But law enforcement officials say they've found shell casings at crime scenes recently, and gun-control advocates claim the guns weren't designed for retail sale.

Take a drive along Cherry Road, and you'll see David's Pawn Shop advertising the weapons on its marquee, "AK-47s Now In Stock." Owner David Dresner said he started selling the Romanian-made weapon recently, and it's been a big hit with collectors and for those taking target practice. Some individuals also use the guns for hunting, he said.

David's is one of the first pawn shops in the area to start selling the guns, he said. Larger gun dealers including Nichols Store southeast of Rock Hill and the Sportsman in Newport have been selling the weapons for years, clerks at both stores said.

"We've sold a bunch of them," Dresner said, estimating he sells four or five AK-47s each week. "I've been surprised at how well they've sold."

Dresner said the AK-47 he sells is a semi-automatic rifle just like the ones used by Iraqi police allied with U.S. troops in the Middle East. It looks similar to the famed Russian AK-47, a fully automatic machine gun made popular during the Cold War. Those guns, however, are only sold to individuals specially licensed by the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, he said. And they carry a $25,000 price tag.

Priced from $550 to $800

The assault rifles Dresner and other local dealers offer are priced between $550 and $800. State law also requires a mandatory background check before the gun can be sold -- just like any other gun sale -- that takes between 20 minutes and three days.

From 1994 to 2004, a federal ban on assault weapons, including AK-47s, limited the kinds of guns dealers could sell. Dresner said the AK-47 was still sold, but only with magazines that held three rounds or less. The ban expired in 2004 and the guns can now be purchased with up to 100 round drums, Dresner said.

And they can be fired "as fast as you can pull the trigger," he said.

That's the main reason gun-control advocates are concerned about the sale of assault weapons. They claim the guns were manufactured for killing people, not any other reason.

"AK-47s should not be available for sale. There's really no argument," said Zach Ragbourn, a spokesman for the Brady Campaign, the nation's leading gun-control lobby. "They're designed to attack people, period. They're not for hunting or a fun collector's item."

Ragbourn said the term "assault weapon" was coined by the gun industry years ago as a marketing tool. He said any weapon capable of firing multiple rounds in a split second shouldn't be offered on store shelves.

"A 100-round magazine is not a cosmetic feature," he said. "It's nothing but a bunch of lead in the air in a short amount of time."

Ragbourn said lobbyists are pushing lawmakers to reinstate the assault weapon ban.

Locally, Lt. Les Herring of the Rock Hill Police Department said several shell casings from the high-powered rifles have turned up at crime scenes recently. He said there are two or three unsolved shootings, none fatal, where investigators found the bullet shells.

"We know people are shooting them, but that's about all we know," he said.

Herring said there isn't any data that suggests more assault weapons are used for violent crimes now than before the weapons ban expired. However, any time a weapon capable of firing rounds quickly is in the hands of a criminal, it's a concern, he said.

"People who want one will go wherever they have to in order to get one," Herring said, adding that before the guns were sold locally, people would travel to other places to make purchases. "The threat's always been out there. We've always had that concern."

Dresner doesn't believe the guns he sells are going directly into the hands of criminals. He said the background checks and clientele he sees on a regular basis suggest otherwise.

"It's just a souvenir, to be able to say, 'I've got an AK-47,'" Dresner said. "I bet 90 percent of the people who buy it won't even shoot the first bullet."

When he thinks a gun may end up in the wrong hands, Dresner refuses the sale, he said. Recently, a man passed a background check to purchase a handgun, but Dresner overheard him joking with a friend that he was going to use the gun for violence.

"I said, 'Sorry buddy. You just talked your way out of this gun,'" Dresner said. "It's not worth it to have that on your conscious."

Dresner said most guns used in violent crimes are bought illegally or stolen from a responsible owner.

"Could it get into the wrong hands? I guess," he said about the AK-47s. "But the average person who buys it is legit."

Adam O'Daniel • 329-4069

aodaniel@heraldonline.com


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To: holymoly
In Massachusetts you need a license to buy a spitball...let alone an AK.
41 posted on 07/26/2007 9:52:53 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: tumblindice
I'm not sure if this is the guy you're talking about, but there's a good trigger slap fix tutorial here:

http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/slapfix.htm

Or, of course, you can drop in a Tapco G2 trigger group for about $35. Get a retainer plate too and ditch the shepherd's crook while you're at it. 8^)

I'll hopefully be bending my receiver flat this weekend. My jig's done and I'm ready to roll.

42 posted on 07/26/2007 9:57:06 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} GO HUNTER '08)
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To: Jonah Hex

That’s it! I don’t care what anyone says Jonah: you’re all right!
Seriously, many thanks. I added to favorites. I’ve gotta go pay some bills now.

btw, if you need American parts to meet the minimum 5, I’ve found cheaper than dirt has some for pressed receivers. And the AK expert guy on that site gives some sources as well.


43 posted on 07/26/2007 9:57:17 AM PDT by tumblindice ((holding gun) Drink this `shine boy! ....... OK, now you hold it on me while I take a swig....)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Still available at Texas gun show in Pasadena. Problem is that they are about $200 more expensive than other manufacturers. But I plan to spoil myself and my ego. Forgive me.


44 posted on 07/26/2007 9:58:42 AM PDT by 353FMG (America, first, last and always.)
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To: TalonDJ
As long as six of the sixteen "countable" parts of the rifle are US-made, you're legal.

http://www.gunco.net/forums/showthread.php?t=696

Asinine, but it's the law.

45 posted on 07/26/2007 10:00:59 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} GO HUNTER '08)
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To: 353FMG

If you can get a Colt for only $200 more than Bushy, RRA or the others, you’re getting a screaming deal.

Colts are known for better construction standards (read: MILSPEC) than nearly all of the non-custom brands. Parkerizing, MP inspection, etc. At those prices, they’re a bigger value.

I’ve been looking for a fourth rifle in a Colt (6520 or 6920), but they’re rare up here (Indiana). Two of my rifles use Colt uppers, which is the real working part anyway.


46 posted on 07/26/2007 10:07:38 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: AngryJawa

If the receiver is made in the US, then the rifle is considered to be made in the US (unless it was re-imported), right? In that case, 922(r) parts count doesn’t matter?


47 posted on 07/26/2007 10:11:08 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: TalonDJ

Probably Bulgaria (former east bloc), not Belgium (west bloc).


48 posted on 07/26/2007 10:12:50 AM PDT by activationproducts
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To: rangervet
You are correct!

AK47
The standard military load for the 7.62x39 fires a 123 grain FMJ bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2350 fps. and 2,330 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy (ME)

30-30 American favorite for White-tail deer
The standard 150 grain factory loads from the major ammo companies have a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2,390 fps (formerly 2,400 fps), and 1,902 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy (ME).

30-06
150 grain bullet 2,910 fps muzzle velosity and 2,820 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy (ME)
180 grain bullet 2,700 fps muzzle velosity and 2,910 ft. lbs. of muzzle energy (ME)
49 posted on 07/26/2007 10:15:27 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei (Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
If the receiver is made in the US, then the rifle is considered to be made in the US (unless it was re-imported), right? In that case, 922(r) parts count doesn’t matter?

Nope, the sacred six parts are required even if the receiver is US made. The receiver merely counts as one of the parts.

Most of the guys homebuilding AK's will have a US-built receiver, trigger, disconnector, sear, pistol grip, and flash hider. Some will swap a US gas piston to retain the full Feinsteinian evil of a commie pistol grip.

Told ya' the rules were asinine. 8^)

50 posted on 07/26/2007 10:21:02 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} GO HUNTER '08)
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To: Hiddigeigei

Odd. A 123 grain bullet at 2350 fps has 2330 ft-lbs of energy and a 150 grain bullet moving 40 fps faster has only 1902 ft-lbs of energy.

Seems like the 30-30 should be more powerful.


51 posted on 07/26/2007 10:25:36 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: Billthedrill
Ragbourn said the term "assault weapon" was coined by the gun industry years ago as a marketing tool.

I was amazed to read that line. Accuse the opposition of doing what you actually did, and the opposition can be made to look foolish when trying to refute it. It's a pretty good tactic - I'm not surprised at all that an anti-gunner would stoop to using it.
52 posted on 07/26/2007 10:34:22 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: AngryJawa

I thought I read somewhere that parts kits (barrels, trunions, etc>) were being restricted for import lately.
True?


53 posted on 07/26/2007 10:38:07 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Barney Gumble
People can buy hunting rifles that are much more powerful. A .30-30, for example.
54 posted on 07/26/2007 10:45:21 AM PDT by ol' hoghead (He is not here; for he is risen.)
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To: SJSAMPLE
<1>I thought I read somewhere that parts kits (barrels, trunions, etc>) were being restricted for import lately.

AFAIK, any newly-imported kits will not be allowed to have the barrel in the kit. It'll have to be imported seperately or manufactured in the US or some such. Who knows?

The F-troop, as per typical, has not chosen to be very clear on the new laws that they make. Frankly, I really won't put it past them to completely kill off the imported milsurp market at a whim.

http://www.ak-47.us/AK-47_News.php?action=detail&g=news1150422283

Get your cheap Romy kits while you still can.

55 posted on 07/26/2007 10:53:19 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} GO HUNTER '08)
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To: DirtyPigpen
I live in the same town as this Yahoo and I DID CALL HIM..
He was unapologetic and dumb as a post on this issue..
When I confronted him with the fact his very first sentence was a blantent lie, he responded with , “well that’s what I was told”. When I asked him if he did any independent research like a Google search he said he had..
He’s just a young punk reporter working for a small town liberal rag..(I could almost hear the pimples erupting over the phone)
We call it here in Rock Hill.. “The Rock Hill Fish Wrap”
56 posted on 07/26/2007 10:53:50 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: holymoly
Dresner said the AK-47 he sells is a semi-automatic rifle just like the ones used by Iraqi police allied with U.S. troops in the Middle East. It looks similar to the famed Russian AK-47, a fully automatic machine gun made popular during the Cold War. [Emphasis added].

Moron contradicts himself in the first sentence.

Moron needs to know that there's a world of difference between a semi- and a full-auto AK.

Like capabilities.

Like cost - a semi- can be acquired for as little as $300, but a legal full auto (of which there are vanishingly few in this country) costs over $20,000.

Like legality - just ask the BATFE if they're the same...go ahead, tell them that you bought a full auto AK-47 from some guy in a different state last week and want to know if its legal. Then hang up and call Dominos. Unlike most cases, the government WILL get there before Dominos delivers. In fact, Dominos' deliveryman will find that he's giving the pizza to a bunch of guys with guns and body armor who just killed your cat, bashed your pregnant wife in the belly, trashed your house and is dragging you (bloodied and unconscious) to the truck across the street.

There just a LITTLE difference between a semi-auto and a full-auto AK-47. MORON!

57 posted on 07/26/2007 11:01:30 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: rangervet
I didn’t survive the inconveniences of TET ‘68 to have to listen to some dude whining about restricting my 2nd AMNENDMENT RIGHTS..Joe Biden,et.al., not withstanding

May God bless you, and thank you for your service. Those of us who have not served owe you a debt.

58 posted on 07/26/2007 11:06:58 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: TChris; rangervet
I didn’t survive the inconveniences of TET ‘68 to have to listen to some dude whining about restricting my 2nd AMNENDMENT RIGHTS..Joe Biden,et.al., not withstanding

May God bless you, and thank you for your service. Those of us who have not served owe you a debt.

+1

Thanks again, Ranger.

59 posted on 07/26/2007 11:17:42 AM PDT by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} GO HUNTER '08)
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To: Badeye

****“AK-47s should not be available for sale. There’s really no argument,” said Zach Ragbourn, a spokesman for the Brady Campaign, the nation’s leading gun-control lobby.****

In 1981 Handgun Control Inc.(Brady Campaign today), put out a statment that they ONLY wanted to control handguns. Long guns would not be affected.
I can give you a list from the 1960’s to today of lies told by these people.

“We dont want to take your guns away, we only want to register handguns. Long guns will not be affected.”—Thomas J dodd and Emanual Cellar, 1961.


60 posted on 07/26/2007 11:28:35 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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