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To: monomaniac

Am I correct that the UCC would have owned the real estate and the building that the congregation uses? Do they do that?


2 posted on 07/25/2007 4:06:20 AM PDT by 50sDad (Angels on asteroids are abducting crop circles!)
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To: 50sDad

Immaterial. This should not have come to a civil suit. There are prohibitions in the bible against bringing this kind of matter to the civil authorities. However, as it was UCC and the losers in the vote who did that, I have no doubt that they are in the wrong, just on that score. What are they trying to do? Force people into a faith position? That never works very well.


5 posted on 07/25/2007 4:39:54 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: 50sDad
The UCC is complicated in this area. It began in 1957 as a union of the Congregational Christian Churches (basically the heirs of the New England Puritans and close to exclusively WASP) and the Evangelical & Reformed Church (a primarily German/Dutch heritage denomination). When they merged, there were two very different processes for the two denominations: the E&R was hierarchical, and had a national vote that brough all E&R churches into the new UCC, but because of the truly congregational polity of the Congregational Christian Churches, each individual Congregational church had to vote whether to merge or not.

The Congregational Christian churches clearly own their own property and assest, as there was no national body to hold anything (just a council of equals that got together occasionally). The E&R did have a national body that could hold assets, but mostly the regional synods would have had that power. The UCC Constitution clearly provides that churches have the right to withdraw and to keep their assets (unlike the Episcopal Church).

If the church that withdrew was a former Congo church, there would be no issue at all EXCEPT for the fact that the local church bylaws had a provision that if there were a split in the church, the one remaining with the UCC got the assets. That might have been a holdover from an E&R congregation's old bylaws or something new; I don't know.

This was clearly the correct decision, both as a matter of corporate law (churches are usually nonprofit corporations) and as a matter of UCC church polity. It is astonishing that the UCC hierarchy joined the lawsuit, but, then, the exceptionally left-wing leadership in Cleveland is remarkably heavy-handed and ham-fisted.

6 posted on 07/25/2007 4:44:08 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: 50sDad

PS, given the name is “St. Peters” this was almost certainly an E&R congregation before the merger - Congregational Christian Churches were never (almost never?) named for saints, and the term “saint” was hardly ever used in a Congo church except to refer to all believers in the older literature. A Congo church would have been “First Congregation Church of X” (or 2nd or 3rd etc. or “[a place location] Congregational Church” or perhaps something like “Plymouth Church”.


7 posted on 07/25/2007 4:51:08 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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