Posted on 07/20/2007 6:17:46 PM PDT by Baladas
President Bush yesterday said Americans will soon realize they need the immigrants and foreign temporary workers that would have been allowed by his immigration bill, which was defeated in the Senate last month.
Mr. Bush, in a town hall session in Nashville, Tenn., also refused to say whether he will pardon two U.S. Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a fleeing drug-smuggling suspect, saying the prosecutor was a friend of his who made his case to the jury that convicted the agents.
If Mr. Bush was hoping the immigration issue would disappear after his bill's failure, those hopes were dashed, as he was asked repeatedly about border security during the forum — meant to highlight his commitment to cutting the deficit.
"The bill failed and I can't make a prediction to you at this point, sir, where it's going to head," the president told one questioner. "I can make you a prediction, though, that pretty shortly people are going to be knocking on people's doors saying, man, we're running out of workers."
Mr. Bush said there are workers who will do jobs Americans aren't doing in the agriculture sector in particular, and without them the jobs will go unfilled.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
That is right
And, now we know what type of people we’ve been dealing with. These are the real invaders, and they came from DU.
Here donkey .........
Been here longer than you n00bie. A lot longer. A hell of a lot longer.
Go check your pantry and if you don’t have a big can of STFU you need to hit the store because you look dumber with each post.
We all see that you can post to your butt-buddies and not respond to legitimate posts.
I will continue to bump this thread to show the rest of FR what a clown you are.
bray, post# 493 still has yer name on it. Nobody here will forget that you couldn’t address it.
Been here longer than you n00bie. A lot longer. A hell of a lot longer.
Go check your pantry and if you don’t have a big can of STFU you need to hit the store because you look dumber with each post.
We all see that you can post to your butt-buddies and not respond to legitimate posts.
I will continue to bump this thread to show the rest of FR what a clown you are.
bray, post# 493 still has yer name on it. Nobody here will forget that you couldn’t address it. As indicated to them previously, I will not respond to stupidity or inanity. I will, though, allow others to see what kind of vile creatures they are. If someone wants to converse with me, they'll need to show a different temperment or pound sand.
Oh give me a break! So now we are not allowed to disagree with someone because they have served or have family that is serving?
I am an invader because I don't want to give the people that have sneaked across our border a pass and just look the other way while I pay for them?
For a person who says he doesn't like being flamed you sure toss it around....
"White pointy hats"
"DUers"
and "invaders"
Another poorly formatted post to your butt-buddies.
I would recommend WWE wrestling to your posts for education.
Shakes head and walks away from the silly n00bie........
Amen! The sooner the better!
You think you've found some link that is the Ark of the Covenant...some Rosetta Stone that makes your position infallible?
Nobody's answering you because you're too far gone. You have no business sense, no sense of what small business means to the national economy.
You offer us willful ignorance...and quite frankly that's too common in the forum lately.
I told you last nite you're out of your league. Go away.
Uh, no...it was an invitation to a gang bang.
I have been and will remain grateful to you for your support and steadfast willingness to try and be tolerant, even for those of this ilk. As far as treating with these people, I’m done with their ignorance. They may do what they will, but I’ll no longer waste time trying to be reasonable to unreasonable people only interested in tearing others down and hurling insults as a means of supporting their lame positions. Those who wish to engage me in a rationale and reasoned way are welcomed to do so. I’ll comment to people who show such respect, even about the comments which do not. But, no further replies to these people will they receive from me. Either they will get the idea and stop, or they’ll continue and become even more frustrated at the lack of response. Their arrogance has lost them any right to treat with me.
That being said, I hope that everyone you’ve been arguing with takes the time to read it. We all need to see the sort of emotion-laced propaganda being used to dupe the unwitting Americans who support giving legal status to illegal immigrant invaders because they actually believe that it will be good for the country
The final woman the article discussed was Mrs. Ortega. She paid $1,200 into Social Security (she and her employer). The article makes the point that she will never receive that money back. Obviously, the Times is either misinformed, or they’re misleading...again...
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18821
I wonder how many truly educated people on this forum actually believe that if Mrs. Ortega is allowed to stay in the United States, and is granted legal status, that she won’t be able to eventually get a Social Security benefit that not only pays her the money she paid in, but pays her much more.
If the illegals, who are quickly out breeding US citizens, are allowed to stay and gain voter status, they will become the largest voting demographic in the US in just about two generations. If Mrs. Ortega, and all her little Ortegas, are allowed to become “legal,” they won’t just recover their Social Security payments...they’ll bankrupt the system.
Mrs. Ortega’s $1,200 Social Security payment is of little overall benefit to the country if she squeezes out a little Ortega. One visit to the hospital to birth an Ortega and the bill...undoubtedly covered by the legal US taxpayers... will dwarf her payments into the retirement system. When her little Ortega goes to public school...at taxpayer expense...his annual bill will most likely exceed $10,000. The little Ortega will undoubtedly qualify for reduced cost or “free” breakfast and lunch, which will be provided at taxpayer expense. When the little Ortega gets a runny nose, Mrs. Ortega will undoubtedly take him to the emergency ward of the nearest hospital, where they will take his temperature, give the child $1.00 worth of Tylenol, send him and Mrs. Ortega home...then bill the taxpayers $1,000 for the service.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/SR9.cfm
http://www.10news.com/news/9620142/detail.html
http://www.azconservative.org/Barton.htm
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03993.pdf
http://judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/immigration-special-report.pdf
So take your Social Security argument and save it for the backslappers who seem to agree with your point of view. As one-sided and idiotic as that Times article is, I thank you for posting that article to “prove” your point.
Your article certainly did prove something...it proved that what I said in my first post to you on this thread is 100 percent correct.
"The first link is to an August 2004 report by Steven A. Camarota, entitled "The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget." Camarota finds that while over half of undocumented immigrants contribute to the federal budget in the form of payroll taxes (creating a benefit for Social Security and Medicare programs of $7 billion annually), the costs of undocumented immigrants to the federal government exceeded their contributions by approximately $10.4 billion. Among the largest costs include Medicaid use, treatment for the uninsured, and participation in food assistance programs. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscal.html"
That's right, the cost of illegals to the federal government (us) exceeds the benefit by over $10,000,000,000 annually.
Note that this figure is just for the fed. Local governments carry the burden in LE, Schools, Hospitals, traffic fatalities, etc., but see none of the 'benefits' that flow to Washington.
An article from the left’s daily talking points memo (NYTs) written by a Latino (Eduardo Porter) to prove a point.....no bias there.
Depends on the crop. Migrant workers typically work in the heavily manual labor sectors of agriculture, not the mechanized.
I don't read the NYT.
I found the link on another website where a discussion was ongoing.
I simply posted it to show you that it's one BIG reason why the government has been half-@ssed in enforcing immigration laws.
It's a BIG reason why the deficit is shrinking...that and the tax cuts...DESPITE the cost of the war.
I am not the enemy. I am trying to learn just like I would would expect you and others to follow suit.
As I said...as a small business owner, I get firsthand eyewitness proof of the benefits of immigrant workers.
No...I admit that I don't see the squalor dealt to the border states...but it's a BIG country.
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As I said...as a small business owner, I get firsthand eyewitness proof of the benefits (to DCPatriot) of immigrant workers.
Now it's true.
“It’s a BIG reason why the deficit is shrinking...that and the tax cuts...DESPITE the cost of the war.”
Horse shit! Mrs. Ortega cancels out her $1,200 yearly contribution to Social Security by squeezing out one anchor baby.
You’re only reading what you want to read. There’s a wealth of credible information out there to prove that illegals are a HUGE net financial loss to the US. It’s not even a close call. And, that’s only the financial cost. The human cost to Americans, in terms of lost employment, lost quality of life, and lost lives, is far higher.
“I am not the enemy.”
You seem to have convinced yourself.
No thanks ...I don't wish to converse with you when you spell out profanity and display your bigotry. I know your agenda here.
Life's too short. Goodbye!
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