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To: IslandJeff; Jim Robinson

“Nah - it’s actually better for FR”

I was being kind by using the word “music”. What I was referring to was “liberal noise”. I absolutely disagree that FR is better off having his supporters still here, just not vocalizing their support of a Liberal. I wish every damn one of them would OPUS out. Weak links in a chain we’re all part of, and if we’re going to make it through the long haul, there is no reason to think FR is better off with weak links waiting to start breaking when they’re needed the most.

Rudy won’t be getting the nomination. Being certain of this, it still bothers me that there exists this mindset (not you per se’) that oh...it was all just a mis-understanding. Actually it’s been crystal clear. Negotiate and or compromise your conservative principles with thoughts of some fictitious victory on a front-runner who history says never had a chance, or preserve conservatism.

If someone truely believed he was the only hope to beat Hillary, then I can’t “accept” their principle negotiating, but at least I can better understand their motives. Problem is, most really didn’t have a major problem with his Liberal past. How can a conservative say they could rely on that person to fight for conservative values? It just doesn’t wash. We’ve got Liberal’s “inside the gates” as Jim Robinson puts it.


107 posted on 07/20/2007 5:51:42 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: jedward

Hey Buddy.

I’d rather be on here in self-imposed silence than not be able to post at all. While we’ve gone back and forth on Mayor Giuliani (back before the March/April purges) - I think the Mayor has more conservative credentials than you give him credit for. To all of us, sure, NYC is a sewer of leftism - but compare a bear in the forest to a deer in the forest, to use a slightly ham-fisted simile.

What I think underlies the polemical hatred against Mayor Giuliani is what has happened to the GOP as a whole: after the 1994 Uprising, they became the “Establishment”. Conservatism and constitutionalism has washed away from our lovely beach, and, from what I can tell, many of the most loyal soldiers are projecting their righteous anger and using the Mayor as a strawman. The Mayor hasn’t come this far, politically, by being a kneejerk liberal, and I just don’t think it’s fair, within the process, to assume he would be the nation’s Chief Exec and CIC as compromising as he was to a hegemonic NYC.

Give the process some time. And I am not a liberal, by any stretch of the imagination. I like leadership aptitudes in a President, even if such a perceived leader doesn’t agree with me on, say, abortion. By comparison, how would you feel about a former Union president (who also signed pro-’choice’ legislation) running for the GOP Nomination? You’d, rightfully, be skeptical. None of us dislike the 40th President of the United States, in retrospect.

You don’t build up by tearing down. I agree with you: we need to win Senate and Congressional seats back - and accept some imperfections. Pray, think, read, and pray again. The GOP nominee gets my vote - and, like I said, I like all of them (with serious, serious reservations about Senator McCain). Be well and have a great weekend. These are serious, soul-searching times and we really, really are on the same team.

-Jeff


109 posted on 07/20/2007 6:31:45 PM PDT by IslandJeff (Daniel 2: 20-23)
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To: jedward
Unless regulars of FreeRepublic actually visit other sites, and see the still overwhelming support of Rudy, I fear they are in for a big surprise.

As a Rudy backer (although I will gladly support whoever the eventual nominee is), I find myself shocked after spending a few hours here. You would think that Rudy was John McCain (very close to dropping out), yet when I get into other sites, I realize I am not alone in the world.

Anybody that thinks that it will not be a fight to the finish between Rudy and Fred (although Mitt could still surprise us all) is deluding themselves.

To tell the truth, on paper, Fred should be my number one choice. Yet what I have seen in person has failed to impress me. This is my own personal view, but Rudy does exude Leadership to me, where I just don't have that gut feeling about Fred yet. I am, however willing to wait until closer to the first primaries before I make up my mind 100%.

Freds health also scares me. Not that I think he is hiding any true facts, I just don't want to discover in May of next year that the Dems are successful in using his lymphoma against him. And we all know they will do that. With the help of the MSM, you know every single newscast, and every single 20/20 type show will be doing exposes on the "Truth behind Lymphoma, What are the true survival rates" (which in all reality aren't that good.)

While they could do the same with prostate cancer (and they probably will), Rudy has actually been cured (5 years without a relapse), where Fred is only in remission, and even his own doctors say that more likely than not, it will return. Will the American public want a President that they know will need intense cancer treatment, even if they realize that the treatment will put him back into remission?

Whether or not FreeRepublic wants to keep its head in the sand, or not is up to each and every one of us. Until I am actually banned, I will continue to support Rudy, but I will not get into the childish name calling on either side.

117 posted on 07/21/2007 6:06:06 AM PDT by codercpc
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