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To: liberallarry
we're dumping thousands of tons of shit into the atmosphere every day ...  ...your bias so clearly overwhelms your ability of reason or because you lack that quality

There's plenty of other freepers here who love dusting it up like that, enjoy!.   Don't get me wrong, butting heads has it's place, it's just that I'm  not very good at it.  

I'd bet that each of us values furthering the common good as much as the other; I find my best contribution seems to be in working with hard numbers and I let the people/convincing part to others..  Let me know when you find another good link like this one and thanks again.

332 posted on 07/13/2007 1:51:21 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Let me know when you find another good link like this one and thanks again.

I tried to locate Nir Shaviv's response to Lockwood. Couldn't do it...but if you google his name you'll find a lot of interesting stuff. He's the guy who came up with the relationship between cloud cover and cosmic rays (perhaps that's too strong, perhaps he was only one of those who elucidated it).

336 posted on 07/13/2007 3:15:10 PM PDT by liberallarry
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To: expat_panama
Here's an article in Nature (Vol 448/5 July 220) which does a better job than the Guardian in describing the dispute...

and Here's a beautiful article by Shaviv himself clearly outlining the situation. Note that Shaviv, a proponent of solar forcing and an opponent of Kyoto, does not deny anthropogenic influence and thinks it will increase dramatically in the coming years.

I doubt that even this will change minds. I find a huge similarity between liberal positions on competition and conservative positions on the evironment. Both are motivated by fear. The former fear that they will be labeled losers and the later fear for their livelihood, and both fear for their most basic ideologies.

337 posted on 07/13/2007 4:44:42 PM PDT by liberallarry
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