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New analysis counters claims that solar activity is linked to global warming
Guardian (England) ^ | July 11, 2007 | James Randerson

Posted on 07/11/2007 3:40:02 AM PDT by liberallarry

It has been one of the central claims of those who challenge the idea that human activities are to blame for global warming. The planet's climate has long fluctuated, say the climate sceptics, and current warming is just part of that natural cycle - the result of variation in the sun's output and not carbon dioxide emissions.

But a new analysis of data on the sun's output in the last 25 years of the 20th century has firmly put the notion to rest. The data shows that even though the sun's activity has been decreasing since 1985, global temperatures have continued to rise at an accelerating rate.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: agw; globalwarming
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To: rock58seg
All it means is that a healthy sense of scepticism is needed

Yes, but I observe that the temperature rises when a forest is replaced by a parking lot...and that we're pouring tons of garbage into the atmosphere every hour. It would be miraculous if that turned out to be good for us, as if eating raw sewage turned out to be a cure for cancer.

221 posted on 07/11/2007 8:07:50 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: roaddog727

You were never in the game, you just talked to yourself.


222 posted on 07/11/2007 8:10:16 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Matchett-PI

Thanks for that link. This guy thinks Albore is the smartest person in the world. He also thinks Albore should be the president - one of those “The 2000 election was stolen” kids.


223 posted on 07/11/2007 8:10:36 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Stop the invasion. Secure the borders now.)
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To: liberallarry

From http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1863983/posts :

“This should settle the debate,” said Mike Lockwood from the UK’s Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory, who carried out the new analysis together with Claus Froehlich from the World Radiation Center in Switzerland.


224 posted on 07/11/2007 8:11:07 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: liberallarry
I can't help but being reminded of scientists of the past that went against popular opinion and their being soundly mocked and treated derisively (or worse) because of their discoveries. Now we have the modern equivalent of flat worlders screaming that "everyone knows the world is flat" with the type of shallow science that doesn't do anything except give excuses for poor behavior. A lot of the persecution in the past was based loosely on religious fervor. It is the same today except the modern equivalent of religion is liberalism.
225 posted on 07/11/2007 8:12:43 AM PDT by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Your unquestioning faith in the objectivity of the scientific community is quite touching.

Thank you. And your unquestioning faith lies where?

226 posted on 07/11/2007 8:13:40 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry
as if eating raw sewage turned out to be a cure for cancer.

My chickens don't seem to have a high rate of cancer. Just might be something to that. Another assertion shot to He!!?

Please, When you and the Man Made Gore-Bull Warming crowd, zip up, let the rest of us know. I'm tired of a wet neck.

227 posted on 07/11/2007 8:16:50 AM PDT by rock58seg (Change Homeland Security to U. S. Security. It's time they remember what country to protect.)
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To: savedbygrace
Yes, he's more than a little naive politically...

...and he's not saying that no one should question his data, noone should attempt to repeat his experiments. Rather, that he believes they are eminently replicable...and that no other reasonable interpretations are possible.

He doesn't realize the power of "unreasonable" interpretations when economic interests are at stake, when ideology is questioned.

228 posted on 07/11/2007 8:21:14 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Timocrat
I'm pretty sure that this sentence is all f*ck*d up. Its the earth's magnetic field that shields it from the sun's cosmic rays.

The sun also has a magnetic field, which helps to deflect cosmic rays coming from outside the solar system. See this page on Solar magnetic field and cosmic rays

229 posted on 07/11/2007 8:21:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: rock58seg
My chickens don't seem to have a high rate of cancer.

You feed your chickens raw sewage? Do you then eat them...or sell them for others to eat?

230 posted on 07/11/2007 8:23:31 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: drlevy88
There is Martian warming going on right now, as I understand it.

Maybe we can send algore there.

231 posted on 07/11/2007 8:25:34 AM PDT by Recovering Hermit (There's another old saying Senator..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.")
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To: Perdogg
"How would you explain global warming on Mars... ?"

But no reporter would ever ask this question. It would only occur to a person with critical thinking skills.

Add a "most scientists" to the comment (sorry to step on toes).

232 posted on 07/11/2007 8:27:18 AM PDT by cookcounty (Forgotten in the fray: Saddam killed, on average, 6,223 muslims per month, for 27 years.)
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To: liberallarry; Constitutionalist Conservative

“..And your unquestioning faith lies where?” ~ liberallarry

Dawkins also asks stupid questions.

“... If (Dawkins) should ask, “what, don’t you _believe in_ evolution?,” my response would be, “what, don’t you _know about_ God? You’re kidding, right?”

And if he says, “but God is not great,” I would ask, “tell me what you know about God. No, not about what other people say or do. Tell me what you _personally_ know.” To which, if he were honest, he would have to respond, “oh, nothing.”

That being the case, he would be compelled to change the title of his book from “God is Not Great” to “I Know Nothing” — or perhaps “I Am Nothing,” which is what a human being unarguably is in any materialistic paradigm.

To be completely accurate, the materialists must affirm that “I Am Nothing, and So are You,” for in the end, atheism is nihilism, and a nihilist is just an atheist with the courage of his absence of convictions: there is no truth and everything is permitted. ..

“...there is no possible metaphysical grounds for something wholly random, transient and accidental to know the Immutable. Or, if it can know the Immutable, then we must revise our assessment of the transience of this entity, for there is something absolute about it, something which mysteriously touches the eternal, something which cannot be surpassed. In reality, there can be no species above or beyond the human being. It is inconceivable. We are evolutions’s end.

“....Of course there is continuity between animals and human beings, just as there is continuity between matter and life (or humans and God, for that matter).

Nevertheless, there is also a radical ontological discontinuity between matter and life, something “present” in life that could never be seen in its constituent parts.

Naturally, being that we are alive and conscious, we are privileged to bear witness to countless fascinating spiritual hints and clues embedded in, and radiating through, matter, which “looks” at us with its outward forms of inexplicable beauty and “speaks” to us with its extraordinary inner mathematical elegance. But to suggest that this means that matter is just as spiritual as the divine consciousness that contemplates it is basically stupid, just a sort of exalted flatland Spinozean pantheism that is superficially appealing to a certain kind of middlebrow intellect, but ultimately blind to the true hierarchy of being.

In the paradigm of natural selection there can be no absolutes, no end states, no final accomplishments. Everything is a work in progress, minus the progress.

Thus, the inability to explain how natural selection has produced the perfection of the human archetype, something which is an absolute end and cannot be surpassed. Anyone who looks into the eyes of his child realizes this.

Yes, it is hypothetically possible — no, inevitable — that natural selection will continue to tinker at the margins of this archetype, but this archetype cannot surpass itself any more than perfect beauty or absolute truth can surpass itself.

This is what it means to say that human beings are in the image of their creator: that they are in their own way absolute, only in reflected form — as above, so below. Thus, they are absolute, but only relatively so. This makes much, much more sense than the opposite — that we are really reflections of matter, or absolutely relative: as below, so above.

Despite the fact that this preposterously upside down metaphysic makes no sense at all — for how could relativity be absolute without immediately refuting itself? — it is what you must believe in order to be a self-consistent doctrinairre Darwinian.

Let’s be honest: either we are a random, transient, and therefore meaningless organization of molecules, or we descended from something which surpasses us.

Woe to the impoverished soul incapable of intuiting our source and ground in that which surpasses us.

And woer still to the beasts in human form who admit hierarchy but who substitute their own imaginary mind parasites for the reality of the One. ..” ~ Absolute Truth and False Absolutism http://tinyurl.com/2zmcu6

More, as per my tag line: http://tinyurl.com/2adnfb


233 posted on 07/11/2007 8:28:02 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Political Correctness=nothing more than an intellectual burqa to cover up anxiety-provoking truths)
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To: liberallarry
You feed your chickens raw sewage? Do you then eat them...or sell them for others to eat?

Apparently you know less about chickens than Global Warming. By reading your posts, I didn't believe that was possible.

It's not a choice that a farmer has any part in making. Just like man has no part in Global Warming.

234 posted on 07/11/2007 8:30:21 AM PDT by rock58seg (Change Homeland Security to U. S. Security. It's time they remember what country to protect.)
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To: drlevy88
Science is uncomfortably dependent upon sociology.

Science is uncomfortably dependent on politics. Researchers who produce results that make grant issuing agencies unhappy do not get further funding

235 posted on 07/11/2007 8:30:53 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: liberallarry

He said, “This should settle the debate.”

There’s no question what he’s saying, and it ain’t what you’re saying he’s saying.


236 posted on 07/11/2007 8:36:55 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: liberallarry
It would be miraculous if that turned out to be good for us

The evidence since the 1800's is that high life expectancy is strongly correlated to industrialised, modern societies - i.e. the very societies that "pour tons of garbage into the atmosphere".

Whereas the societies that live in relative peace with our gentle Mother Gaia (for instance the poor bastards in Swaziland) die off at age 33.

237 posted on 07/11/2007 8:37:23 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: rock58seg
It's not a choice that a farmer has any part in making

In the '50s I had a friend who ran a very large chicken "farm". He had a lot of control over what his chickens ate. It's also well-known that our meat supply can be easily contaminated by whatever our meat supply eats.

Do you deny any of that (try to understand my meaning before you reply)?

238 posted on 07/11/2007 8:38:33 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Arrowhead1952

You’re welcome again. “kid” is a good term for the emotionally immature INGRATES of whatever age.

Those who live UNGRATEFUL lives are doomed to be unhappy for ever.


239 posted on 07/11/2007 8:39:07 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Political Correctness=nothing more than an intellectual burqa to cover up anxiety-provoking truths)
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To: agere_contra
The evidence since the 1800's is that high life expectancy is strongly correlated to industrialised, modern societies - i.e. the very societies that "pour tons of garbage into the atmosphere".

Are you telling me you believe our high life expectancy is due to eating industrial garbage?

240 posted on 07/11/2007 8:40:47 AM PDT by liberallarry
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