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It's Time to Rethink Marijuana Laws
Philadelphia Enquirer ^
| July 9, 2007
| Kathleen Parker
Posted on 07/09/2007 7:21:35 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084
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To: bajabaja
I have found it difficult to find statistics on lung cancer rates in Google searches but I may try your medpub suggestion sometime. Neither gov sites (NDHS??? NHSD???) or American Cancer Society seem to have them. That makes me suspect an agenda not a genuine regard for disseminating truth. The same lack of info is apparent when one tries to find out how many women die from legal abortions. I know they collect the numbers.
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posted on
07/09/2007 9:26:04 PM PDT
by
TigersEye
(My heart is broken but my conscience knows its cause.)
To: A CA Guy
You don’t have one iota of understanding about what the hell you’re talking about.
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posted on
07/09/2007 9:35:13 PM PDT
by
jwh_Denver
(In the Rise and Fall of United States I hope the Fall part is more than one chapter.)
To: TigersEye
Neither gov sites (NDHS??? NHSD???) or American Cancer Society seem to have them.
Are you talking about the CDC? I am unfamiliar with the NDHS. And as for not trusting numbers completely, I will agree, especially in the example you reference. It has always puzzled me that some of the strongest anti-smokers (anti-big tobacco crusaders) were all for pot smoking. I suspect that inhaling heated chemicals from tobacco or marijuana increases one's risk. Seems illogical to me.
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posted on
07/09/2007 9:40:15 PM PDT
by
bajabaja
To: tacticalogic
Hold on. There’s a seed burning a hole in the new carpet.
What the hell were we talking about?
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posted on
07/09/2007 9:40:41 PM PDT
by
toddlintown
(Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
To: TigersEye
“Pots not dangerous.”
Correct. Hell, I just boiled some hot dogs in one.
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posted on
07/09/2007 9:43:02 PM PDT
by
toddlintown
(Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
To: TigersEye
There is a poster’s tagline that goes like this “I never argue with an idiot, they’re drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
86
posted on
07/09/2007 9:45:27 PM PDT
by
jwh_Denver
(In the Rise and Fall of United States I hope the Fall part is more than one chapter.)
To: A CA Guy
“Most all violent offenders in California for rape, murder and such were on drugs and substances at the time that almost always INCLUDED pot.”
I’ll bet they also threw down cold glasses of milk sometimes.
Freaking cows!
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posted on
07/09/2007 9:46:22 PM PDT
by
toddlintown
(Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
To: A CA Guy
Recreational drug use is not a conservative behavior, it is a problem. You couldn't be more wrong. Alcohol is a far more pernicious intoxicant than marijuana.
As for not being a "conservative behavior," have you ever been to a fraternity party with alcohol everywhere, a businessman's lunch with martinis, or a XMAS party for a company of mostly conservatives where most were drunk? You're hung up on the word "drug" which conveniently leaves booze out of the equation.
I should know because for many years I smoked weed and drank , and I can tell you that alcohol is far worse. It's not even close.
Alcohol makes many people violent and impairs you to a level that marijuana doesn't. Drunk people get in fights, stoned people don't. As for driving, marijuana doesn't impair you anywhere near as much as alcohol. You might dismiss these statements, but I make them from personal experience, while your views are the result of hearsay.
If one of the two should be illegal, alcohol should.
And, you'd be suprised at how many people hold good jobs with good families who smoke a joint on the weekend.
Of course, using marijuana to excess is bad for a person, just as drinking too much or overeating is unwise, but that doesn't change the fact that marijuana is far less harmful than alcohol.
To: A CA Guy
Naw the people on pot are not violent. It’s the people on alcohol that get violent and start fights for no apparent reason. Have you went to a party or visited a bar lately? The ones starting bar brawls and fights and the people that are wasted on alcohol. They commit extreme violence and their victims have serious injuries. Alcoholics are notorious for causing extreme violence to family members and domestic violence murders. The pot smokers are the ones chillin relaxed and laughing in the corner at everyone else. Pot makes people less violent in almost every case I’ve ever seen. Even men who are violent in their natural state become mellowed out and less violent from weed. People should encourage more pot smoking and less alcohol. society has the whole thing backwards.
To: A CA Guy
Six and a half years here and your arguments are no more refined than when you began.
Mix pot with alcohol or any other drugs and its a violent mess.
Probably how it got its gateway drug reputation.You leave much to speculation there but later it's a done deal...
I am simply trying to point out that pot (the gateway drug)...As you well know the gateway "theory" regarding marijuana and other recreational drugs has been disproven, yet you're still here pushing the "same old, same old".
You could
probably argue your case better, but then again, I could be wrong. Though it would definitely enhance your
reputation.
...the violent offenders pretty much all had pot involved in their problems when they committed crime and had to go to prison.
Perhaps you should read something put out by your own State regarding drug use and crime so your argument will improve...
Californias Criminal Justice System: A Primer January 31, 2007
About 28 percent of violent crimes involved an offender who was perceived to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
That means a whopping 62 percent of violent crimes involved an offender who was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
To: A CA Guy; TigersEye
Almost two-thirds of court admissions to state prison are for property and drug offenses, including drug possession (15 percent), (not use)
drug sales (15 percent), (not use)
burglary (9 percent), and auto theft (7 percent).Some info above too TE.
To: A CA Guy
OOPS...a whopping 62 72 percent...
To: Eric Blair 2084
I avoid the Doper/Gay/Abortion Wars threads on FR like the plague-- too much flaming, circular logic, and general idiocy for my tastes...
But I'll say this, for the record- I wish they'd legalize, regulate, and tax the smelly stuff like tobacco, and be done with it.
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posted on
07/10/2007 2:46:56 AM PDT
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: Moonman62
If you’re suggesting that this prohibition has done anything useful, I’d like to know what it is.
The last time around, prohibiton led to higher prices and crime by users to pay the price, black market sales of tainted products, organized crime, massive government corruption, gang murders by the score, gun bans, and a massive assault on the individual’s ability to transfer money.
This time around, it’s led to higher prices and crime by users to pay the price, black market sales of tainted products, organized crime, massive government corruption, gang murders by the score, gun bans, and a massive assault on the individual’s ability to transfer money. And of course, this time we’ve also got the rehab industry.
But sooner or later, someone is going to get it right.
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posted on
07/10/2007 4:23:25 AM PDT
by
sig226
(Every time I hit spell check, the fishies got all messed up. 'Bye fishies . . .)
To: Eric Blair 2084
make marijuana legal along the same guidelines as alcohol: 21 to buy (or 18), no driving under the influence. Quit increasing pushers’ profits. Let individuals grow for their own use but not for sale. Let grown-ups run their own lives and get rid of the wasteful spending on this part of the war on drugs.
To: Eric Blair 2084; Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; ...
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posted on
07/10/2007 7:58:31 AM PDT
by
traviskicks
(http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
To: Allerious
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posted on
07/10/2007 8:00:53 AM PDT
by
traviskicks
(http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
To: struggle
"...You can usually tell someone is smoking weed and driving because they are usually going 10 mph below the speed limit..."
Truism of the day, FRiend.
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posted on
07/10/2007 8:03:25 AM PDT
by
-=SoylentSquirrel=-
(Nothing says impotence and inadequacy quite like a Muslim male)
To: A CA Guy
Its not a way to go, is most certainly not the goal of conservative folks, Then why are you always in the minority on FR drug threads?
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posted on
07/10/2007 8:11:41 AM PDT
by
jmc813
To: philman_36
Hey, is that pie? I dunno why, I'm just so hungry all of a sudden.
Mmmmm, pie.
Huh. Wait what?
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posted on
07/10/2007 8:43:08 AM PDT
by
-=SoylentSquirrel=-
(Nothing says impotence and inadequacy quite like a Muslim male)
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