Posted on 07/09/2007 1:32:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
If my kids and grandkids have to live under a boot heel, to Hell with safe cities! I hear that Havana is even safer than NYC, Rudy!
I’ve shared the water with sharks and gators, sailed big water in little boats, I dodged the teeth and bullets all my life and I wish I could do it all again.
Safe cities, my behind, want a safe city? Be a man, refuse to cower and whimper.
Best I shut up while I’m ahead, but dammit anyway!
(1) Giuliani and other mayors implementing Jack Maple's CompStat program for tracking crimes and punishing QOL violations, and
(2) Putting more violent criminals behind bars for longer.
Exactly
That link shows the majority of the drops happening under Giuliani’s watch and increasing during the late 90’s. Also, if you compare the performance over time compared to other cities, NYC improved more than other cities, and by 2001, while other cities like chicago and San Diego were experiencing resurgence in crime, NYC continued to see crime drop.
Credit due to Giuliani.
Latch on to this at your peril. If you despise Rudy enough to trade your intellect for few electrons on a flat-screen, you're to be pitied.
Accepting the willfully blind -- and that should leave us with a handful of FReepers -- anyone can see the Mr. Giuliani is charismatic and strong and, as a former Federal Prosecutor who took down Michael Milken, certainly had some momentum in the way of "law enforcement" going for him, in marked contrast to his predecessors in NYC.
Even his most animated detractors can see this, unless they've made themselves willfully blind, in which case they've become the "useful idiots" they so like to assail here.
“He merely put a sociologist’s theory to practice and got lucky it worked as it did.”
There is no “merely” for a guy like Guliani implementing such policies in violently liberal NY.
There is a lot I don’t like about him but he’s probably the toughest SOB running to date.
Demographics are much in play. Baby Boom followed by Baby Bust. If there is a high crime rate then look for a high percentage of young people.
His avowed support for gun control and abortion on demand are lies?
Guiliani and NYC are perfect for each other. The city needed his authoritarian, F-you style of leadership.
Problem is, most of America isn't New York. My city's mayor sure in the hell wouldn't participate in a gay pride parade if we had one; nor would he dare try to "crack down" on gun owners in the ruse of fighting crime.
So let Rudy run for Mayor of Philly or L.A. and clean up those cities and leave the Presidency alone.
I dont agree with his support for abortion and gun control, and that isnt what I am talking about here.
I am talking about his tenure as a crime fighting mayor, for which he should be given credit. I can differentiate issues. What made him a good mayor wont necessarily translate to being a good potus.
And it is obvious from the current vigilance of key offices and buildings in NYC that the feds are in charge of overall security against terrorism- something that should have happened after the first WTC event.
These clowns who base their conclusion about lead/crime on two correlated trend events call themselves scientists?
Jeez. I guess the bar for statistical hand-waves has gotten much lower since the global warming hucksters got away with it.
You’re onto the major reason right there.
Out here in Nevada, our highway patrol runs every plate/license of people they stop except possibly locals they know personally. They especially run all out-of-state plates.
Why?
Because they find a whole bunch of people with very interesting background coming through/into Nevada. Common traffic stops for little things like running a stop sign frequently yield big busts. Our local NHP officers like to think of out-of-state traffic stops as being like “opening a box of Cracker Jacks — you sometimes get a really nifty prize!” Things like a trunk full of meth or pot, stolen property, felony wants and warrants, you name it. There’s a lot of wanted criminals trying to wander through a itty-bitty little town in the middle of nowhere on their way to somewhere else.
I've been living here most of my life and ...
What was I saying?
Harumph!
Giuliani did not get the ball rolling with respect to crime rates, as so many try to claim. Those are merely lies.
I dont think its a lie to say, he instituted Compstat which was directly responsible for the targeting of crime, sharing of tactics, and in general increasing accountability of NYPD policing.
If you are trying to claim that Giuliani was not responsible for huge reductions of crime in NYC, then you are either spewing an utter lie or dont know what you are talking about.
I didn’t say that. Don’t distort (lie) about what i said. That makes YOU the liar here.
Giuliani did not get the ball rolling with regard to crime reduction, and certainly doesn’t deserve the praise he gets as the only one who is responsible for crime reduction in NYC. So many people try to claim it’s all becausse of Rudy, which isn’t true. Most don’t even know the stats, but will say rudy deserves the lions share of the credit, which is a lie.
Geez, the rabid Giuliani fans can’t support their homo-loving man with out being liars. Damn, that’s sad they support a candidate so flawed they have to lie to find a way to support him.
Let’s see... Lead paint outlawed around ‘74/’75, regular leaded gas banned around the same time. Wouldn’t this guy’s theory make most of us that are over 40 drooling criminals?
I do give Guiliani (and more so Bratton, but Guiliani bought on) credit for the lower crime in New York. New York, despite it’s size had crime drop to levels much lower than significantly smaller cities, all which were lead free or had abortion.
However, just because Guiliani lowered crime doesn’t mean I am required to vote for him.
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