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To: nyconse
Gates doing what-whining because the feds couldn’t deliver more cheap labor?

You did not answer my question.

You are raving about something that your appear to misunderstand. As I mentioned earlier, there is a difference between cheap labor and talented labor. We don't have enough talent and we never did before. Who has created the nuclear weapons for us? Go check: with the exception of one individual (Feynman), all were foreigners -- from Einstein to Bethe. Where has the founder if Intel born?

The point is that we ALWAYS imported talent from abroad, from musicians to scientists. Gates merely acknowledges that fact. If you close borders and don't let a single person in, you will still not raise Einstein: he was unique and he was German. If people were to listen to you and close the borders to talent, we would all be worse off.

The same applies to H1B visas. Before you rave about wages, look up some economics and learn what constitutes cheap and what constitutes expensive labor --- and who ultimately pays for it.

124 posted on 07/06/2007 1:24:03 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark

>>Where has the founder if Intel born?<<

I think you mean “of Intel.” Robert Noyce was born, raised, and went to School in Iowa. Gordon E. Moore was born, raised, and educated in California. Andy Grove (not one of the founders) was born in Hungary.

I don’t advocate stopping all legal immigration, but we need a thoughtful immigration policy that does not pander to Gates’s greed. Some businesses already abuse visa programs, and he wants unlimited H1B visas.


126 posted on 07/06/2007 1:46:37 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: TopQuark
I take it you haven’t seen the video where a certain CEO talks about how the company can advertise in such a way as to DISCOURAGE qualified Americans from applying for a job in this company? It’s on this thread if you look back a bit. The H1B visa program has been abused;there are plenty of gifted Americans-especially in IT-who would love the jobs being filled with imported workers.

I resent the seemingly fashionable attitude that anything American - employees, cars etc - is inferior. There is no need to import talent from abroad. In fact, I have worked with some of the H1B visa holder. I would not call them talented-cheap labour-but definitely not possessing any special gifts. The soon to be replaced American workers were forced to train them in all but the most basic skills in order to receive any sort of severance package-meager as it was.

130 posted on 07/07/2007 7:12:51 AM PDT by nyconse
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