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It has to be at least 40 million illegals here based on ERs, social services, law enforcement pickups and the sheer number (multiply please), of the couple of plants they show bust with stolen SSNs (huge percentage btw). On my block alone, it has to be hundreds... one block. I’m talking mostly Mexican, Somalis, Ecuadorians, Salvadorians, you name it... i’m in NYC, it’s bad... and I was stationed in the SW years ago and it was unreal re: closing hospitals, prisons, enforcement. Here, they did door to door census last time... how did the results come out, they need another box to check.

You’re right, one bill at a time... never ‘comprehensive’.

Remember they’ve fudged each time on previous immigration legislation. Not enough money, manpower... blah. The exit program was said to have glitches and would be too expensive, Chertoff himself said the environuts hold them up over cacti (yep), not to mention the constant cutting and dumbing down on what should have started not on 9-12-2001, but way before. Do we really want CAIR and Ft. Dix six (as well as Dearbornistan), relatives brought in? I would love for all to read on all the hijackers/jihadis that had expired visas that attacked or attempted to attack our country chronologically. Steyn did a good job on it. The fact Atta was sent another card 6 months after 9-11 and the system is STILL not computerized and is backlogged now... should be common sense that this should be done ASAP.

The border HAS to be shut down.
We HAVE to know who’s in this country illegal, those here on expired visas have to be found, and we have to stop letting people from certain countries come here period (including tourist, student visas), sure ID can be faked and folks can fly in from other countries, but it cuts down the odds here on the ground.

The real point is that nobody knows. Imagine if the number were 40 million. The senate bill would have legalized their status overnight and they would be entitled to bring in their spouse, children and one set of parents. These numbers are enormous and would change the cultural and linguist nature of this country. We just can't assimilate such numbers, yet the supporters of the bill were willing to take that risk. In 1986, the USG estimated one million would apply for amnesty. Three million applied.

Some of those against building a fence or physical barrier at the Mexican border do so because they don't want what they consider to be a negative image for the US [Berlin wall analogy] or an insult to Mexico. But the reality is quite different. "No other First World country has such an extensive land frontier with a Third World country. The significance of the long Mexican-U.S. border is enhanced by the economic differences between the two countries. “The income gap between the United States and Mexico,” Stanford University historian David Kennedy has pointed out, “is the largest between any two contiguous countries in the world.” They will keep coming unless we physically stop them.