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Live Thread: Senate Amnesty Debate (CRITICAL 2ND CLOTURE VOTE TODAY!) Woo hoo!! It's DEAD!!
The U.S. Senate with Free Republic Input | June 28, 2007 | truthkeeper

Posted on 06/28/2007 6:25:57 AM PDT by truthkeeper

Here we are again my friends, hopefully for the last debate thread on this particular monstrous legislation. Proceedings are supposed to begin at 9:30 a.m. EST, with the cloture vote being taken at 10:30 a.m.

On a personal note, you've all been wonderful in your passion, vigilance, and commitment to the principles on which our country was founded. If I have to be in a foxhole, I want to be in it with you guys.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; deathofthegop; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; itsdeadjim; sellouts; stickaforkinit; ussenate; vampirebill
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To: wtc911; sauropod
Before he deleted his profile (because it revealed the truth about him) DCP proudly proclaimed himself to be hopelessly liberal.

Context please?

Leave it to wtc911 to keep lying about me.

I am a staunch conservative who is hopelessly liberal on the topic of immigration. And very proud of it too.

2,121 posted on 06/28/2007 11:11:00 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: Earthdweller
Good morning.
“Does no change make you happy?”

Hopefully, there was a major change, but no change is always better than change for the worse.

The political elites were shown that it is harder for them to screw us than they thought and, maybe, they will now address the problem of border security before they try to force their will us.

I’m sorry you are so unhappy at how the vote went. You appear to be the only FReeper who feels that way this morning.

Michael Frazier

2,122 posted on 06/28/2007 11:11:17 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender, no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Tennessee Nana

That is from Tuesday’s vote to today’s vote. There were a few senators that switched from “aye” to “No” within the vote today. In fact, Senator Brownback is now being called “Senator Switchback” by some because he was one obvious one.

I only heard Coleman’s name once, and that was with a “No”. I was listening very intently because he is my senator. Our other one is always disappointing me, but what else is new in this blue state?


2,123 posted on 06/28/2007 11:16:37 AM PDT by Shelayne (I will continue to pray for President Bush and my country, as I am commanded to do by my Lord.)
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To: All
The Amnesty Eight Wake Up And Get Right [Jim Geraghty]


By the way, of the "Amnesty Eight" NRO identified,

Sens. Kit Bond (R., Mo.): NO

Sam Brownback (R., Kan.): NO

Richard Burr (R., N.C.): NO

Norm Coleman (R. Minn): NO

John Ensign (R. Nev.): NO

Ben Nelson (D., Neb.): NO

Mark Pryor (D., Ark.): NO

Jim Webb (D., Va.): NO

Call 'em the "No Amnesty Eight" now.

06/28 12:06 PM
2,124 posted on 06/28/2007 11:19:00 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: truthkeeper

I haven’t had time to follow the thread. Later I’ll read the 2,000 posts.

IS IT DEAD?


2,125 posted on 06/28/2007 11:21:17 AM PDT by mefistofelerevised
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To: Shelayne

When it comes to our border “Doing nothing is no answer” . Feed that back to them. Don’t quit!!. Follow up. We need our borders closed.


2,126 posted on 06/28/2007 11:21:27 AM PDT by Dutch Tulip
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To: Earthdweller
Good morning.
“Does no change make you happy?”

Hopefully, there was a major change, but no change is better than change for the worse.

The political elites were shown that it is harder for them to pull the wool over our eyes than they thought and, maybe, they will now address the problem of border security before they try to force their will us.

I’m sorry you are so unhappy at how the vote went. You appear to be the only FReeper who feels that way this morning.

Michael Frazier

2,127 posted on 06/28/2007 11:21:45 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender, no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Miss Didi

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

C-Span has the words.....

MAJORITY LEADER REID HAS PULLED THE BILL FROM THE FLOOR FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION

Does the Zombie Bill still live breathe walk?


2,128 posted on 06/28/2007 11:24:58 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Shazolene

There’s no question this would have been a win for Reid and the Democrats. Therefore, it’s intellectually dishonest to contend (as Jeff has) that its failure to pass is not a loss for them.


2,129 posted on 06/28/2007 11:25:16 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: mefistofelerevised
IS IT DEAD?

Deader than a doornail. :-)

2,130 posted on 06/28/2007 11:25:46 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: nyconse
Yes, but Harry and da boys would’ve gleefully accepted it in its original, vague, unamended form.
2,131 posted on 06/28/2007 11:28:11 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: Cedric; Shazolene
There’s no question this would have been a win for Reid and the Democrats. Therefore, it’s intellectually dishonest to contend (as Jeff has) that its failure to pass is not a loss for them.

Cedric, have you ever heard the term "win-win"? There are situations where a person can come out ahead no matter what happens. In most situations, one outcome is even better than the other, but neither are negative.

In this case, what did the democrats lose? They didn't have amnesty to begin with and have never pushed it seriously. They'd be happy to take it, and that is exactly what the Bush whitehouse and the GOP Senate leadership offered.

The republican leadership has alientated a significant portion of their base. Who does that hurt, the dems or the pubs?

2,132 posted on 06/28/2007 11:32:53 AM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: truthkeeper
we just HAD to have that graphic

Sorry I didn't get it in earlier! I got up, saw that the vote was coming up in a half hour (I'm on the west coast), started emailing furiously to the Senate. Didn't see your thread until after the vote, when I was glued to CSPAN (after sitting through Reid's sappy, nauseating speech).

It's a great day for America and the Americans! Our Republic still lives, and the Forces of Darkness and Submission are once more pushed back!


2,133 posted on 06/28/2007 11:34:07 AM PDT by Regulator (Saruman broods in his White House, his Uruk-Hai Defeated, while Sauron Rages in Mexico City)
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To: Regulator

Another great one. I’m walking on air...we don’t get many days like this now, do we? :-)


2,134 posted on 06/28/2007 11:37:34 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: truthkeeper
we don’t get many days like this now, do we?

Nope, and if you google "supreme court" in News, it gets even better!!

The Wife hung out the flag when the vote was posted, and we've been walking on air just like you ever since!

2,135 posted on 06/28/2007 11:41:44 AM PDT by Regulator ("There's got to be a morning after....")
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To: JeffAtlanta
“In this case, what did the democrats lose?”

Okay, Jeff, read and learn:

Harry Reid is the Majority Leader. He had the President Of The United States (and his Cabinet), a dozen or so quisling Republican Senators and the Drive-By Media all honking for this bill. This was supposed to be an absolute “gimme” ----- and Reid blew it! His job is to shepherd legislation through the Senate and he failed! His job approval rating sunk to 19%!

Now, you tell us all how that’s a win-win for old Harry!

2,136 posted on 06/28/2007 11:44:58 AM PDT by Cedric
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To: truthkeeper
Fantastic! My faith in the power of the people is restored. This is a huge positive and could lead to good changes. The creeps of the senate have awoken the people in a way they didn’t want.
Thank you Jim Robinson, Sessions, Rush, Savage,and the rest.
Thank you truthkeeper. Your persistence was the final blow. Yippee!
2,137 posted on 06/28/2007 11:45:40 AM PDT by mefistofelerevised
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To: Shazolene
The only reason I can think of for Republicans voting for this bill was to support businesses who want cheap labor.

Arguably, there is more cheap labor under the current unenforced laws than under the proposed law, no?

2,138 posted on 06/28/2007 11:46:12 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: mefistofelerevised

Aw...make that yippety-skippety! (Old-timers...I haven’t said that the impeachment days of yore...remember? It used to bring LOTS of teasing.)


2,139 posted on 06/28/2007 11:48:00 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Rush just said it’s dead but that they will try to bring it back to life.


2,140 posted on 06/28/2007 11:54:49 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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