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To: GOPJ

Yes. I don’t think he’s a deliberate traitor. And I don’t think he’s a moron either. He’s not a genius, but he’s reasonably intelligent. Smarter than Al Gore, for instance.

It seems to be an old money old family delusion. We all hoped he had escaped that by moving to Texas and working as a roughneck in the oil fields. Evidently not.

He is a moral man, but unfortunately he has imbibed some very liberal Christian ideas of morality, starting with the delusion that you can improve the world by spending government money on it.


9 posted on 06/27/2007 8:36:56 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Guess you can take the boy out of elitesvill, but you can't take the elite out of the boy... You're right, Cicero, his everyday citizen stuff was crap.

And yeah, Bush's better than Gore and the other dems - and he's not stupid, but he's also not one of us.

I don't want second class citizens in my country. I don't have any problem with Mexicans being citizens - but I want them as equals. I want to look at my brown skilled neighbor and see "American", not "someone who's so pathetic" they'll do the sh_t work ...

38 posted on 06/27/2007 8:50:05 AM PDT by GOPJ (When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can count on Paul's support -12 million new Pauls)
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To: Cicero
He is a moral man, but unfortunately he has imbibed some very liberal Christian ideas of morality, starting with the delusion that you can improve the world by spending government money on it.

I've long thought it was more that he sometimes confuses Christian principles as appropriate to each individual with that behavior proper to one holding an office. I don't mean he should "compartmentalize" à la Clinton or become as degenerate, no-holds-barred as the dems in general. But, for example, however much "turn the other cheek" is prescribed (a counsel of perfection?) for individuals, it's not right when it's someone else's cheek!

77 posted on 06/27/2007 9:04:55 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Cicero

AFAIK George Bush never worked as a roughneck in the oil fields.


173 posted on 06/27/2007 10:02:47 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Cicero

I think we all have been mystified by the determination of President Bush and such formerly-idolized Senators as John Kyl to get this immigration bill passed. This morning on a Phoenix talk radio station, the host was talking about this very thing. He said he believes more and more that the CIA and Dept. of Defense have presented a nightmare scenario to the White House and Congress of what might happen if suddenly the $20-25 billion that flows into Mexico each year (via the illegals working here) suddenly stopped. He pointed out the high possibility of that country erupting in chaos and a complete breakdown of government, such as it is. America-haters, like Chavez and Abadnijad (however you spell that) would be only to happy to step in. I still hate the idea of this immigration bill, but this is one plausible explanation why it’s being pushed so hard.


192 posted on 06/27/2007 10:17:24 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Homeschool like your kids' lives depend on it.)
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To: Cicero
the delusion that you can improve the world by spending govzernment money on it.

I don't mind spending money so much, as long as its the right thing.

For example, I would support spending lots of scratch for new military equipment and technology, and/or a new fence/wall to protect our borders.

The delusion of GWB is the fact that he thinks that giving illegal border jumpers 100 PERCENT OF WHAT THEY WANT will somehow curb future illegal immigration.

I say 100 percent of what they want because most illegals dont care about becoming US citizens.

They just want to be able to suckle off the US system without having to worry about getting deported or charged with illegal trespass.

And lastly, illegals coming across our southern border are not "starving" like the claims made by the open borders crowd.

Mexico's economy is the 13th largest in the WORLD, and Mexico's per capita income is larger than six European countries, such as Bulgaria, Yugoslavia (the parts), and several others.

234 posted on 06/27/2007 10:44:53 AM PDT by Edit35
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To: Cicero
It seems to be an old money old family delusion. We all hoped he had escaped that by moving to Texas and working as a roughneck in the oil fields. Evidently not.

It got worse because George Bush one was just an American aristocrat
George Bush Jr is an aristocrat of the Mexicans and Americans. This way he scores lots of Mexican servants same as the rest of the brain dead hacks inside the beltway

Back in George Herbert Walker Bush's day the aristocracy also fought in wars. President Bush One had an exemplary wartime record

309 posted on 06/27/2007 11:44:52 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Cicero

“He is a moral man,...”

A moral man does not reward criminals and punish law enforcement people who do their jobs.


395 posted on 06/27/2007 12:32:43 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (You can lead a liberal to talk radio, but you can't make him think.)
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