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Giuliani Faces a Potential Fall From Catholic Grace
NY Times ^ | 6/25/2007 | LAURIE GOODSTEIN

Posted on 06/24/2007 8:12:23 PM PDT by nj26

At first glance, Rudolph W. Giuliani should be an appealing presidential candidate for observant Roman Catholics. The grandchild of Italian immigrants, Mr. Giuliani went to Catholic schools, considered joining the priesthood, and as mayor of New York battled a museum that exhibited a painting of the Virgin Mary adorned in elephant dung.

But church leaders say they are frustrated by prominent Catholic politicians like Mr. Giuliani who argue that while they are personally opposed to abortion, they do not want to impose their beliefs on others.

One American bishop, Thomas J. Tobin of Providence, R.I., recently wrote a caustic column for his Catholic newspaper calling Mr. Giuliani’s position “pathetic,” “confusing” and “hypocritical.” Other bishops said that they would not criticize a candidate by name but would not hesitate to declare Mr. Giuliani’s stance contrary to Catholic teaching...

Archbishop John J. Myers of Newark said: “I think he’s being illogical, as are all of those who take the stand that ‘I’m personally opposed to abortion but this is my public responsibility to permit it.’ To violate human life is always and everywhere wrong. In fact, we don’t think it’s a matter of church teaching, but a matter of the way God made the world, and it applies to everyone.”

The presidential campaign of John Kerry, a Democrat, suffered in 2004 when about a dozen of the nation’s more than 200 bishops declared that they would deny him communion because of his abortion stance...

But some American bishops who favored denying communion said that recent comments by the pope would bolster their approach. Pope Benedict XVI told reporters last month that Catholic legislators in Mexico who had recently voted to allow abortion had effectively excommunicated themselves from the church.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; catholicchurch; catholicpoliticians; catholicvote; elections; giuliani; guiliani; mexico; rudy
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This is going to make for an unpleasant campaign... the prospects of denying communion to a GOP Presidential nominee given his pro-abortion views...

That being said, I also think the Church is venturing too far into politics, moving beyond obvious moral issues (e.g. pro-life v. pro-abortion) and toward legislating its opinion (e.g. lobbying for the amnesty bill.)

More reason to say... Run Fred, Run!

1 posted on 06/24/2007 8:12:24 PM PDT by nj26
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To: Liz; Coleus; NapkinUser

ping


2 posted on 06/24/2007 8:13:47 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: nj26

>>>Rudolph W. Giuliani should be an appealing presidential candidate for observant Roman Catholics. <<<<

Humor of the day.


3 posted on 06/24/2007 8:14:16 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: nj26
Meanwhile, EVERY SINGLE LIB RUNNING IS ALSO PRO-ABORT.

I wonder what the Pope thinks of those pro-abortion freaks.

No news there.

We already know they’re all going to hell.

4 posted on 06/24/2007 8:17:00 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (Speaker Pelosi - Three cheers for Amnesty!)
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To: Calpernia

I found it amusing that this article and “Giuliani leads among Catholic Republicans” are both running at the same time.


5 posted on 06/24/2007 8:18:13 PM PDT by Politicalmom ("Mom, I'll be old enough to vote for Fred when he runs for his second term." -My Son. (I'm proud))
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To: Politicalmom

Propaganda at it’s finest :)


6 posted on 06/24/2007 8:19:50 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: new yorker 77
EVERY SINGLE LIB RUNNING (includes RinoRudy) IS ALSO PRO-ABORT.
7 posted on 06/24/2007 8:22:58 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://www.rinorepublic.com)
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To: nj26

I disagree with Rudy on abortion, but the Catholic Church is bs. Thats why I left my mother’s faith and adopted my father’s faith and became a Protestant.


8 posted on 06/24/2007 8:23:09 PM PDT by NorthEastRepublican
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To: nj26

I just assumed that Giuliani was not a practicing Catholic, like most politicians in Italy.


9 posted on 06/24/2007 8:27:15 PM PDT by Roy Tucker ("You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality"--Ayn Rand)
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To: nj26

Can Rudolph Guiliani receive communion? Is he married to his third wife, Judy, in the church? I doubt it.


10 posted on 06/24/2007 8:29:10 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop

No, he isn’t.


11 posted on 06/24/2007 8:34:39 PM PDT by arroyo run
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To: nj26
I doubt Rudy will get the nomination, I'll support Thompson, but please don't fall for this nonsense from the NYT.

Hilary Clinton is an irreligious left winger. The NYT HATES the Catholic Church. But they will have you and the Church damning Giuliani (or any other GOP candidate) to Hell while Hilary piously visits Bible schools. And you're all worrying about Giuliani's marital status and morality. But no one will dare point out what an abomination is St. Hilary.

12 posted on 06/24/2007 8:35:22 PM PDT by Williams
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To: nj26

All the kings horses and all the kings men couldn’t....


13 posted on 06/24/2007 8:35:25 PM PDT by badpacifist (I'm touching the portal of infinite knowledge right now!)
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To: NorthEastRepublican

You realize that you abandoned the true faith, right?


14 posted on 06/24/2007 8:39:12 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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To: nj26

That being said, I also think the Church is venturing too far into politics, moving beyond obvious moral issues (e.g. pro-life v. pro-abortion) and toward legislating its opinion (e.g. lobbying for the amnesty bill.)

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Thats what they said about slavery too!


15 posted on 06/24/2007 8:39:24 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (80% of dust under your bed is dead flaky skin...)
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Soo, now, NYT’s is a reliable source for news and commentaries? Still voting for Rudy.


16 posted on 06/24/2007 8:39:34 PM PDT by CTSeditor
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To: Williams; doug from upland

>>>>But no one will dare point out what an abomination is St. Hilary.

We sure do. Freepers take the lead on that. That is why Hillary sent this plane to silence Doug.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844729/posts
FR EXCLUSIVE: Did Hillary Try to Silence Doug from Upland (plane crash in Upland)


17 posted on 06/24/2007 8:41:33 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: nj26

I’m confused - we just read of a poll either today or yesterday that indicated that Catholics were flocking too him...


18 posted on 06/24/2007 8:42:21 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
You realize that you abandoned the true faith, right?

Is it faith in a church or is it faith in Jesus that saves us?

19 posted on 06/24/2007 8:43:43 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: CTSeditor

Pick a source, any source:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=GiulianiTruthFile
GiulianiTruthFile


20 posted on 06/24/2007 8:44:53 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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