Note: this topic is from 6/24/2007. A re-ping. Thanks blam.
Posted on 06/24/2007 6:39:42 PM PDT by blam
Me too on the monkey ancestors. That notion is even less likely than is a significant human contribution to global climate change — which puts it in the range of being hit by lightning every day for 50 years in succession.
I’ve never, however, been hung up on the time line. Given the history of both the translation and canonization of the Holy Book leaves me to conclude that literal translation of specific measurements of time and space are problematic and to me and really don’t add or subtract from the broader meaning. Others view it differently and that’s fine —
“Geological changes might have wiped out traces of earlier cultures. Just look at what two thousand years has done to Caesara Phillipi, present-day Banias in Israel. That’s from neglect, war, vandalism, and climatic wear-and tear. How much would remain of a Pompei-size city that was buried by volcanic ash 150,000 years ago? How much would remain of cities covered by the most recent ice-sheets? So I am open to a long pre-history of man.”
Not only that but I have a sneaking hunch that many of the early civilizations are off our coasts. Humans have always liked to live near the water, but coastlines have moved and ocean water levels raised so for example many ice age era towns would be buried under water on the plateu under water.
Not to mention the lack of bodies since mankind buries its dead.
Ah, the evos can’t get it together and agree. Not surprising.
There was an age before the present 2nd age and there will be a third age. The same earth and heaven but different ages.
Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and , lo it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24.I beheld the mountains, and lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly,
25.I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled,
26.I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord and by His fierce anger.
27.For thus hath the Lord said, "The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28.for this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
There were cities in that first age and God shook the earth and destroyed everything. That was the age of the dinosaurs. When you go to the last 1/2 of Genesis 1:2 we see the beginning of our present, 2nd, age - And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Our earth is millions or billions of years old but our present age began about 14,000 years ago, according to the Bible.
Well, this started off as a science thread.
no, the Bible does not talk of any other age but before Noah and after.
I wish he’d just stop beating around the bush and say what he thinks. ;’)
Isn't there a possibility that the two are compatible? If read with understanding the Bible agrees with scientist about the age of the earth. It does not agree with evolution however. Each species may adapt but it does not evolve from ape to man.
I didn't mean to interfere with your "science thread" it's just that I believe we can learn a great deal from both science and God.
I think of written language as a tool...a tool that wasn't needed until folks settled down and needed to record deeds, wills, mortgages...:) And when it did develop, my understanding is that only a relative handful of folks were literate. So it was like a tool that most people didn't need but a handful of times in their lives. (No books/ few books/...), so they hopped down to the Rent A Scholar Store and rented one, rather than invest in the time & expense to own it.
Multiple definitions of ‘harvest’:
There are places other than the Jeremiah verses. One of them is Peter. Look at the differences he gives:
11Peter 2:5. And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
There he referenced this age but in chapter 3 he tells us of the 1st age.
11Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6.Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7.But the heavens and the earth which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Our world didn't "perish" during Noah's flood. When God caused the overthrow it ended the first age, as described in Jeremiah 4:
25.I beheld, and lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
At Noah's flood there were men and birds. These were two different events and as Peter states, "for this they are willingly ignorant of."
My poor but lovely wife wakes up to that guy every morning.
I agree, and when the literate class lost the infrastructure, and/or their lives, the literacy fell apart. Examples of this include Old Elamite, Etruscan, as well as some long inscriptions or families of inscriptions which are complete mysteries (and due to the small sample, will probably remain that way).
No, you’re wrong.
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Note: this topic is from 6/24/2007. A re-ping. Thanks blam.
How did you get 10,000 years? Seems DNA evidence of 4 male ancestors, population growth size, etc. put current man at a bottleneck about 4K years ago - the same estimates for the flood. Prior to that is anybody’s guess. But the bible indicates civilization and large numbers of people before the flood/DNA bottleneck.
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