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To: death2tyrants; dfwgator
Why have the US engaged into the the European war theatre then anyway? Were the Brits and the French sympathetic enough to save them from tyranny, but the Poles were not? I am sure that Churchill and Roosevelt were no idiots and quite aware that Stalin was not that different from his comrade Hitler.

The Poles were allies and friends from the very beginning who fought for the freedom of the UK and for the interests of the US like lions. A main reason why those Poles lost 20% of their population between 1939 - 1945 was the fact that they imposed the hardest resistance on nazi Germany you can think of. If this kind of resistance would have never happened, the D-day and the allied victory would not have been possible in 1944. The Poles, the Serbs and the Czechs weakend the nazi regime in a decisive way and Hitler had to wore out his forces in the oppression of those people. They sacrificed themselves for the US and the UK because they believed into being rescued and into the alliance that was declared by the UK on the 6th April of 1939 in the case of a war.

The occupation of Poland and Czechoslovakia was quite expensive for the occupiers and after the subtraction of the costs there was absolutely no benefit but a high toll on blood and material. Furthermore those Polish, Slovak, Serbian and Czech freedom fighters bond lots of German troops that could have been used on the western front against America and its allies.

The Poles would not have fought against the German millitary machine that much if they would have known that they are huckstered to "Uncle Joe", who erasured their intelligentsia in Katyn. Stalin and Hitler were on a par. Since America and the UK always concillated the conception of being members of the "western civilized family" to the Poles and declared alliances with them, it was indeed a shame- and reckless betrayal to leave them with a shrug of the shoulders in Stalin's little shop of horrors.

Shame on your leaders for doing that. I have lots of sympathy for Churchill and Roosevelt, but Yalta was the most fundamental mistake in their lives.

P.S.

Same could be said about other eastern Europeans, but the Poles were those who were declared allies of the Brits.

62 posted on 06/27/2007 8:20:35 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varieatate concordia!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

“Why have the US engaged into the the European war theatre then anyway? “

To defeat Nazi Germany. They didn’t even have the means to liberate all of Europe and defeat Russia as well. That doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t have even bothered to liberate Western Europe and defeat the Nazi regime.

“Were the Brits and the French sympathetic enough to save them from tyranny, but the Poles were not?”

Like I said, if you can think of a way to remove the red army from eastern europe via diplomacy, I’m all ears. Otherwise the only way to do so would be to wage war on the Soviet Union, while Germany was in chaos and the Empire of Japan was still at large. Where would the western allies get the extra troops from (not to mention public support for such an action)? Were they to redeploy them from SE Asia, troops that were already entrenched in battle with the Japanese? How many would it take to defeat the Soveit Union, which spans over half the globe. Driving the Soviets out of Eastern Europe using nukes isn’t practical. Besides, Yalta happened in Feb of ‘45, and the trinity test hadn’t even occured yet.

” If this kind of resistance would have never happened, the D-day and the allied victory would not have been possible in 1944.”

The Germans were preparing to defend Pas de Calais from the impending allied invasion of mainland Europe. It was this deception, combined with their failures on the eastern front, that made the invasion possible. The troops that were deployed to suppress the Warsaw uprising, I imagine that they would have been deployed on the eastern front against the Russians (90% of German war casulties occured on the eastern front). Where did you find that these troops would be deployed not only to the western front, but to repell the real invasion at Normandy? If I were trying to make your arguement, I would cite Poland’s role in breaking the ‘unbreakable’ Enigma as being essential for a successful invasion of mainland Europe. You could argue that without these efforts by the Poles, an invasion would not have been possible in ‘44. But that still doesn’t mean that the U.S. betrayed Poland, or any other Eastern European nation, in any way, shape, or form.

“Since America and the UK always concillated the conception of being members of the “western civilized family” to the Poles and declared alliances with them, it was indeed a shame- and reckless betrayal to leave them with a shrug of the shoulders in Stalin’s little shop of horrors.”

What declared alliance did the U.S. have with Poland during the war? Do you believe that the U.S. had defensive pacts with any European nations at the outbreak of war? And if so, what defensive packs/alliances are you referring to?


72 posted on 06/28/2007 5:43:16 PM PDT by death2tyrants
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