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To: Atlantic Bridge
So what are doing our troops in Lebanon? And in Afganistan?

I meant Spanish troops. BTW, are there German troops in Lebanon?

A broad disaffection that was not shown in the polls. That comment is simply a manipulation

A broad disaffection with the Aznar government. You are trying to hide the fact that Aznar's party was going to win the National Election, according to the polls. Those are two manipulations more.

Great advantage? Oh my God. Nobody had any advantage from 9/11.

Again, you got a great advantange for 3/11 (read carefully), the European Constitution was signed soon thereafter. Don't try to hide it.

"BuHuuuu! Bad bad nazi." Somehow I am fed up with this primitive argumentation. Instead of being a sissy whiner you should rather build up logical lines of argument. I never justified any killings. This is nonsense. I simply said that it does not matter who was the trigger of those terrorplots in concern of the election Mr. Aznar lost.

Why doesn't it matter? There is an attack and it doesn't matter who did it? Your neighbour is killed and you said "it doesn't matter who did it, he is already dead". This philosophy is applied too when Germany does not get profit, or simply in those cases?

Hey Mr. Bush, it doesn't matter who did 9/11!

If 79% of his compatriots did not see his war justified, he was in some deep trouble then.

The war in Iraq had nothing to do with 3/11, don't bring that argument because it is non-sense since Spanish troops are fighting before Al Qaeda in Afganistan then and right now, as you have said. You are the one that do not follow a rational discussion.

Aznar government was going to win the National Election and somebody organized a coup to avoid that. The major beneficiares where clearly France and Germany, because the European Constitution was signed soon thereafter, whilst Aznar had blocked it. The dynamite used is not Spanish, but European.

Those are the facts, that had nothing to do with Iraq.

Therefore, to bring Iraq into a discussion of 3/11, when there are evidence that Mr. Chirac did not wanted to reach an agreement about the Constitution in December 2003, it is the fourth manipulation.

I don't want a Europe based in deception, manipulation and murder, but Freedom and Justice. I am afraid others simply want an Europe where, it doesn't matter how, Germany prevails.
60 posted on 06/27/2007 3:57:39 AM PDT by J Aguilar (Veritas vos liberabit)
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To: J Aguilar
I meant Spanish troops. BTW, are there German troops in Lebanon?

Yep. Germany has a small flotilla (to my knowlege 2 frigates and a few speedboats) deployed there to help the Lebanese controlling their coast. They are part of the UN mission.

A broad disaffection with the Aznar government.

It is indeed true that the Aznar gouvernment provided a much better economic policy than the current socialist BS of Zapatero. Therefore many Spaniards were in favour of them. Nevertheless Aznar was obviously unable to provide security since he engaged himself in a war that was not wanted by his voters. It is difficult to explain your people to bring civillian sacrifices for a war if 79% of them are against it. That is democracy. Leaders who act against the will of their people are simply overruled. This is what happened to Aznar.

Again, you got a great advantange for 3/11 (read carefully), the European Constitution was signed soon thereafter. Don't try to hide it.

No damage without a benefit. Of course many friends of the European cause were quite happy that Aznar disappeared in the nowhere, but NOBODY (and I mean really NOBODY) ever welcomed the terrorplots in Spain because of that. Such a claim is ridicolous.

You say: "The war in Iraq had nothing to do with 3/11,"

Interesting. The American administration once declared that they attacked Iraq because of their links to Al Quaida and 9/11.

Aznar government was going to win the National Election and somebody organized a coup to avoid that. The major beneficiares where clearly France and Germany, because the European Constitution was signed soon thereafter, whilst Aznar had blocked it. The dynamite used is not Spanish, but European.

I hear your hidden claim in those lines that the bad bad German and French secret services (probably a mixture of Gestapo, BND, STASI, Deuxième Bureau and DGSE) are behind his reckless and primitive terror plot to force Spain into the European constitution. This proposition is as ridicoulus as the weird claim that "the Jews" are behind 9/11. Of course Germany and France have some common interests. Nevertheless you can be assured that we would not murder 191 innocent people of a friendly nation just to have a treaty signed. Since such conspiracy (if it ever would exist) comes to surface sooner or later, the damage for Germany and France would be horrendous then. Since we have some quite responsible people in our governments left such involvement is therefore extremely unlikely and implausible. Besides - if pro-Aznar Spainards like you think that such BS is possible why is your (once) mighty leader such a friend of NATO and even the EU as long it developed the antiquated economy of Spain after its joining. You should not forget that Germany and France are both members in all those organisations and declared friends of Spain. It is grotty even think that such is possible. Shame on you!

I don't want a Europe based in deception, manipulation and murder, but Freedom and Justice. I am afraid others simply want an Europe where, it doesn't matter how, Germany prevails.

Just take into your consideration that Germany and its administration also could stand for a Europe based on freedom and justice and that your friend with his walrus moustache and those twins from poland might stand for the opposite. Do you have any proof for your backstabbing theory? Is it possible that you are the victim of a stone old propaganda trick? Yes I am sure that Germany and its friends will prevail in the long term but I am also convinced that this is in the basic interest of Europe.

63 posted on 06/27/2007 9:25:52 PM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (In varieatate concordia!)
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