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To: nowandlater

Ok, let’s test me to see how far removed I am from the truth. I am a typical Mormon. Please focus on the basics and then let’s go from there.:

1. I believe in God.

Not the God of the Bible

2. I believe in the Bible.

No, you believe that the Book of Mormon is equal to the Bible and even when the Biblical admonitions against spirits bringing a message that is different than the Bible as spelled out in the Book of Galatians, you choose to believe that Joseph Smith was visited by an angel and given a different gospel than the Bible teaches.

3. I believe in Jesus Christ.

No, you believe Jesus Christ is the brother of Satan, me, and you

4. I believe that were are all a spirit family here on Earth.

Whatever that means, that is surely not a Biblical doctrine

5. I believe the moral foundation of our society is the ten commandments.

The New Testament is the Moral Foundation for a Christian, with the ten sommandments a symbol of man’s inability to honor God through morality and obedience, instead of faith

6. I believe in the God given inalienable rights of all mankind endowed by our creator.

So?

7. I believe in Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

So do liberals.

8. I believe in the freedom of religion so long as those rights do not undermine the inalienable rights of mankind.

So?

9. I believe that Jesus Christ will come again to rule upon the Earth. He will visit the Jews and reveal to them that he was their Savior which they killed.

The Jesus you believe in is not the Biblical Jesus. Plus, you believe that the lost 10 tribes of Israel came here, to the US to live. As a geneological possibility, some of them inbred with American Indians starting back from the 5th century BC when the disapora happened. That means you believe that Indians are part Jewish, at least some of them.

10. I believe in being honest, true, chaste, and benevolent and I feel remorseful when I fall short.

So?

11. I believe that I can’t do it all on my own. On the other hand, I believe nothing is impossible for two people when one of them is God.

Are you God? Where did you get the idea that God is a person? God is Spirit, and that is in the Bible, God is not flesh, and that is in the Bible.

That’s a beggining. So far, where is the threat to society?

Shall we start with the belief in KOLOB?

Where is my grip on reality gone? Where is the lunacy?

Shall we start with the absolute teachings of Mormon leaders who claimed it came from God that MEN LIVE ON THE MOON?

If you criticize my foundational sense of goodness and reason then you undermine at the same time all of other people of good faith. You are unknowling fueling the Christopher Hitchens view of the world.

No, Hitchens is a Marxist.


129 posted on 06/23/2007 5:08:37 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: RaceBannon

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9. I believe that Jesus Christ will come again to rule upon the Earth. He will visit the Jews and reveal to them that he was their Savior which they killed.

The Jesus you believe in is not the Biblical Jesus. Plus, you believe that the lost 10 tribes of Israel came here, to the US to live. As a geneological possibility, some of them inbred with American Indians starting back from the 5th century BC when the disapora happened. That means you believe that Indians are part Jewish, at least some of them
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You are mixing things up there with the 10 tribes being scattered, but I will leave that discussion alone. In the Americas it was two of the tribes of Israel plus part of the Tower of Babel which constituted a minority of the total population by the way (see Diffusion Theory of Old Migration).

At any rate, I believe that the 12 tribes of Israel bloodline is found in all of the races of humanity. I rely on Jeremiah 34:17 where God says to Jeremiah that he would witness the scattering Israel to ALL the nations of the Earth! I believe God and I believe he is not liar and that the prophecy of Jeremiah was not false but it was partly fulfilled with the account as laid out in the Book of Mormon.


137 posted on 06/23/2007 5:19:54 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: RaceBannon
We live in an age when honest disagreements about docrine are religious bigotry. We live at a time when all that matters is that people act morally, do their best and act like conservatives. We live in an age when what men believe about matters of fundamental truth is secondary. I assume that Romney is a fine man and cannot look into his heart, but if he is truly a committed Mormon he cannot be a christian.

Catholics and Protestants have many important differences, but at least they both agree about the nature of God, the person and work of Christ and the canonicity of the Scriptures.

143 posted on 06/23/2007 5:24:54 PM PDT by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: RaceBannon

It is YOU who believes that SATAN is equal to GOD, because you don’t believe he was created!!!!! It amazes me that you can’t rationally explain his origins, but then at the you infer Mormon somehow think highly of Satan, which to me is the most hurtful disgusting accussation I have heard in a long time!!! We believe as it said in the C.S. Lewis’s Screwtape Letters that the Devil became truly evil because he was a creation of God who willfully fell from grace. His evil was empowered because he rejected the good.

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3. I believe in Jesus Christ.

No, you believe Jesus Christ is the brother of Satan, me, and you


146 posted on 06/23/2007 5:29:17 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: RaceBannon

Are you God? Where did you get the idea that God is a person? God is Spirit, and that is in the Bible, God is not flesh, and that is in the Bible.

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Gen. 1: 27 God created man in his own image.
Gen. 5: 1 God created man, in the likeness of God made he him.
Gen. 9: 6 in the image of God made he man.
Gen. 18: 33 Lord went his way, as soon as he had left communing.
Gen. 32: 30 I have seen God face to face.
Ex. 24: 10 they saw the God of Israel, there was under his feet.
Ex. 31: 18 (Deut. 9: 10) written with the finger of God.
Ex. 33: 11 Lord spake unto Moses face to face.
Ex. 33: 23 thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not.
Num. 12: 8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth.
Matt. 3: 17 a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son.
Matt. 4: 4 every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matt. 17: 5 a voice out of the cloud.
Luke 24: 39 for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
John 14: 9 he that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
Acts 7: 56 the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Rom. 8: 29 predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son.
2 Cor. 4: 4 Christ, who is the image of God.
Philip. 2: 6 who, being in the form of God.
Philip. 3: 21 our vile body . . . fashioned like unto his glorious body.
Col. 1: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God.
Heb. 1: 3 the express image of his person.
James 3: 9 men which are made after the similitude of God.
1 Jn. 3: 2 when he shall appear, we shall be like him.
Rev. 22: 4 they shall see his face.

As you noticed when God is described physical features are mentioned. When God is referenced as a spirit it is always attached to a principle or a theory. I believe that God has a physical body, because I believe that Jesus has a physical body. Jesus states he does nothing unless the Father has done it.


160 posted on 06/23/2007 5:57:08 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: RaceBannon

Shall we start with the belief in KOLOB?

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Yes, Kolob, which means translated in Hebrew, center of the universe (see root word QLB).

Yes, I believe God dwells at the center of the universe. So you are arguing that God does not dwell at the center of the universe? That is fine if you don’t believe, but I believe that God’s presence is at the center and throughout the universe.


172 posted on 06/23/2007 6:20:54 PM PDT by nowandlater
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