Posted on 06/21/2007 7:30:11 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
Well said! I was there too for the “Summer of Love”. Was a bit older (21) then, and mostly just remember it being very sad seeing the drugged out kids living in filth proclaiming what noble causes they represented, and how they would save the world. Mostly they were just pathetic. Unfortunately, they were sober enough to realize that if they took over the media and the schools they could have a real impact. Lucky us to be living in the aftermath! sarcasm/
So True.
For me, I remember so clearly 1969, we thought 2001 - Space Odessy was a movie that accurately forecast what the future would be like in a few short years.
For the pride and ambition of the ‘Leaders’ of the hippie movement, they took the best of the next generation of scientists and engineers and turned them into wasted young men.
I remember attending one of the first live showings of ‘Hair’ in San Francisco (I spelled it right) and seeing everybody come up nude through holes in the American Flag on stage, and walking on the flag to their respective dressing rooms, men and women, and thinking there, then that this was the beginning of the end.
No, you're pretty clear. Americans....at least most of them, embarrass you. You love America, its the Americans you can't stand...the Americans that are to blame. Yea...coming in five by five there Hugo.
Yours is hardly an original lament. X'ers share it often. Honestly, not since hippies has one generation claimed moral superiority to mommy & daddys with such arrogance.
Socialist government escapes scorn by constantly pitting one group of Americans against another. Sadly, because of the sheep, it still works everytime.
'Boomers' didn't screw-up America....liberals did.
The legacy of hippies is insanity and poverty.
I never said they were --- that was another poster.
What I said was that the Hippies were scum who's "contributions" to the culture has only driven us down even further.
that we don't also suffer the effects of greed, vanity, lust for power, apathy, hatred and bigotry - all the things that are anathema to the opposite excesses of the hippie movement?
All of those vices have been endemic to human nature since Eve took the first bite of the Apple, and the Hippies were no damn exception despite their propaganda. They were ultimately self centered, egotistical, hateful and narcissistic yet they promoted those vices as virtues and continue to do so.
I understand that, but that was context of the exchange and the specific post you replied to.
The mindless criticism of what was going on by those who weren't there tends to amaze me.
Yes, some (most) of the kids smoked marijuana - it's much less harmful than alcohol and relatively trivial when not used stupidly - Sargeant Friday not withstanding.
Peace ? Is it wrong to want to live in peace with your neighbors ?
Love ? It wasn't always sex that was being talked about. "Come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get it together, try to love one another right now." Nope, not Jesus - the Youngbloods.
A large bunch of us thought the left wing stuff utter crap. Most folks were a whole lot more libertarian than liberal. Yeah, we listened to it in the name of freedom of speech - and then promptly discarded it.
For you mindless, let me leave you with a quote from the immortal Frank Zappa:
Bow tie daddy dontcha blow your top
Everything's under control
Bow tie daddy dontcha blow your top
'Cause you think you're gettin' too old
Don't try to do no thinkin'
Just go on with your drinkin'
Just have your fun, you old son of a gun
Then drive home in your Lincoln.
'Course now, that'd be a BMW or Volvo.
BTW, I'm a Texan engineer who drives a Lincoln Town Car.
Bye, y'all.
To a hippie, the meaning of "peace" is something closer to the word "pacifism". It stems from a foundation of shifting sand, in which nothing is absolute, therefore nothing is worth fighting for. Violence is all equally wrong, regardless of the intent or outcome.
The word "love", to a hippie, is a twisted perversion that could be more correctly defined as "meaningless, uncommitted sex". Responsibility is shunned. Consequences for choices are "unfair".
Following the predictable play book of the propagandist, lefties redefine innocuous words in Orwellian fashion to erode the very fabric of our society.
"Peace" = cowardice and concession
"Love" = abdication of responsibility and promiscuous sex
"Progress" = socialism and class envy
a lot of it is kids blaming their parents for today’s mess
just like we did...lol
though it all started back in the 1800s when Romanticism, Transcendentalism, Collectivism and Existenlialism all grew out of what was left over from the Enlightenment.
the 60s felt remarkable with all the upheaval and huge youth bubble but that was about it....an indulgence that faded quickly
now...leftism got entrenched in our institutions from that but that was hardly the hippies doing
case in point...Hillary...not a hippie....more a freedom rider turned Alinsky yippie
much more dangerous than hippies
as for sexual degeneration....the pill gets most of the blame
and feminism too....tearing away at women’s usual discretion in order to reach parity with men in everything
folks will study about all this more realistically one day when the left which dominates out academia dies off
hippies will be seen as symptomatic....not causative
i’m always amused and dismayed to see a real mean streak here towards my generation...falsely based in my opinion.
youth are much more liberal statistically....they should mind their group first...sadly so many have never known different
You need to provide proof in your slanderous statements. How you got that from my post is unbelievable. I sincerely hope you get psychiatric help. What are you on this site? You clearly are not conservative.
"Disgusting Baby Boomers..I would be so embarrassed to be a boomer..What a group of nasty people..Boomers definitely destroyed America and deserve the blame."
How long have you found most Americans "disgusting"? Did an American run over your puppy when you were a little girl?
...and B.O.
“Let me tell you something. We need a two and a half hour movie about the Doors? Folks, no we don’t. I can sum it up for you in five seconds, ok. I’m drunk. I’m nobody. I’m drunk. I’m famous. I’m drunk. I’m f’ing dead. There’s the whole movie, ok!? ‘Big Fat Dead Guy in a Bath Tub’, there’s your title for you.” - Dennis Leary
That’s hilarious. Thanks for posting it.
So...how long have you found most Americans "disgusting"?
Good God what are you talking about now???? I hope you had a nice weekend too.
I lived with three dead heads my freshman year in college. Let me be the first to pick up the lead pipe.
Yup. They just thought they were original. In reality, they were just useful idiots.
In retrospect, the highlight of the sixties (OK, 1970, actually), for me, was the hard hats going after the hippies.
After 'Bloody Friday,' NY Wonders if Wall Street is Becoming a Battle Zone-- WSJ (May 11, 1970) A bloody melee last Friday, in which construction workers rampaged over antiwar protesters to the cheers of businessmen and office workers, threatens to have designated the heart of New York's financial district as a battleground for extremists of both sides.
Even now it isn't fully clear what went wrong--whether there weren't enough police to maintain order or whether they let their own sympathies with the construction men outweigh their duties. What is known is that at least 300 helmeted workmen, some armed with lead pipes and crowbars, ranged freely through the financial district for almost three hours, attacking protesters and those who sought to help the injured.
"We came here to express our sympathy for those killed at Kent State and they attacked us with lead pipes wrapped in American flags," said Drew Lynch, a 19-year-old employee of the city's Human Resources Administration, who came away with a black eye and a split lip.
At Trinity Church, where volunteer doctors and medical students treated about 60 victims in a makeshift hospital at the head of Wall Street, the vicar, the Rev. Donald Woodward, locked the gates to prevent worker mobs from entering. The surly crowd ripped down a Red Cross banner and tried to remove the Episcopal Church flag.
In a week of nationwide protests, including a massive march on Washington, the incidents on Wall Street proved to be by far the bloodiest since four students were killed at Kent State University. And the Mayor's office, which branded Friday's melee on Wall Street as "a breakdown of the police as a barrier between (the people of New York) and wanton violence," is bracing for the prospect that inflamed tempers on both sides may draw battlers to the same site for another showdown today.
Late yesterday, city vans unloaded barricades in front of the Subtreasury Building and along Broad Street. One police official said they were "in anticipation" of a possible renewal of Friday's violence. The police department is girding for trouble, he said, with some patrolmen's days off being canceled and additional police being available for deployment. "I imagine we'll be overloaded with police" in the district, he commented.
In part, at any rate, the appearance of the construction workers on Friday had been anticipated. It was the third consecutive day that antiwar demonstrators had converged at the corner of Wall and Broad streets. On Thursday a group of the hard-hatted workers had stormed demonstrators ranks to retrieve American flags. On Friday one speaker advised the crowd that "if they come again, don't try to fight them. The police are here to protect us."
What followed, though, was far from expected. Just before noon, as lunch-time throngs started to clog the streets, workmen from downtown Manhattan building projects suddenly converged on the rally from four different directions. Police quickly headed off the laborers, and for a few minutes a thin cordon of patrolmen kept the rival groups apart. The students chanted, "Peace now," and the workers shouted back, "Love it or leave it." Urged on by watching businessmen, and with their ranks swelled by office workers, the construction men surged through police lines. With fists flying, they pummeled their way up the steps of the Subtreasury Building to raise a cluster of American flags on the statue of George Washington.
"Wow, it was just like John Wayne taking Iwo Jima," remarked Jack Friedman, a 32-year-old insurance underwriter watching the action.
As police sought to sweep the workers off the steps, the group turned and charged back into the crowd of protesters. In the panicky rush that followed, the construction workers chased fleeing demonstrators through the streets of the financial district. Those they caught, whether male or female, were beaten with whatever came to hand, including helmets and metal flag poles.
Stock market activity slowed to a crawl. Brokers, analysts, investors, and office help poured out of the buildings or clustered at windows to watch. After the initial foray, the construction workers regrouped to march first down Wall Street and then up lower Broadway. As they marched, they chanted "U.S.A., All the Way." Many in the dense crowds on the sidewalks cheered. From the windows of offices lining the street came streams of ticker-tape and data processing punch cards.
Later the workers stormed City Hall several blocks to the north, overwhelming police and forcing officials to raise to full-staff the American flag. It had been ordered to half-staff by Mayor John Lindsay in memory of the four slain Kent State University students. Still later, the workers invaded nearby Pace College, again attacking students.
Violence is no newcomer to Wall Street. In 1712, Negroes, who comprised about one fourth of the city's population at the time, clashed with police over repressive actions against them. About 20 persons were killed. In 1920, a massive explosion of unknown origin in front of what is now the Morgan Guaranty Trust Co. building killed 30 and injured between 200 and 400 persons. And as recently as 1948, when 500 burly sailors joined the picket lines of men on strike against the New York Stock Exchange, countless fistfights broke out around the building.
But observers of last Friday's clashes say that violence set a new mark in its scope, the apparent high degree of coordination among the construction workers, and the support they got from many members of the white-collar business community.
One construction worker, who said his life would be in danger if he was identified, claimed the attack was organized by shop stewards with the support of some contractors. He said one contractor offered his men cash bonuses to join the fray.
"These are people I know well," he said. "They were nice, quiet guys until Friday. But I had to drag one fellow away from attacking several women. They became storm troopers." On Broadway, a burly workman slugged a booing young girl in the jaw, knocking her into the gutter. A gray-haired man in a three-piece business suit rushed forward to shake his hand. At the corner of Wall and William streets, a group of workmen trapped 24-year-old Alan Waldman, a demonstrator holding his hand in a V for peace sign, after a group of businessmen blocked his path to escape.
Michael Belknap, a 29-year-old lawyer with Sullivan & Cromwell, said he was knocked down and stomped by workers when he tried to help a bleeding youth. "Someone yelled, 'He's a Commie bastard, we ought to kill him,' and they ran over me," he says. "My back is covered with bootmarks."
Despite the scope of the violence only six arrests were made on Friday. Three men were charged with harassment, one with disorderly conduct and two with assault. Mayor Lindsay ordered full investigation and disciplinary action, and the New York Civil Liberties Union charged that "police stood around passively and, in some isntances, joined in the assaults."
"These hippies are getting what they deserve," said John Halloran, one of the construction workers, while the melee was still going on. As he talked a co-worker standing with him yelled, "Damn straight," and punched a young man in a business suit who said he disagreed.
Said George Tangel, a 35-year-old construction worker with an American flag decal on his hard hat: "I'm doing this because my brother got wounded in Vietnam, and I think this will help our boys over there by pulling this country together."
There really is no way to gracefully backpeddle from the vile things you have said about most Americans(and I have quoted in every post). It is not surprising that you would, instead, hide behind feigned ignorance.
"Disgusting Baby Boomers..I would be so embarrassed to be a boomer..What a group of nasty people..Boomers definitely destroyed America and deserve the blame."
How long have you found 'boomers'(most Americans) "disgusting"? How long?
(suggested dodges: drunk, doped, mentally unstable, don't understand)
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