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Poll: 60% of Fertility Patients Would Subject Unborn Children to Research
Life News ^ | 6/21/07 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 06/21/2007 4:31:25 PM PDT by wagglebee

Baltimore, MD (LifeNews.com) -- A new poll conducted by researchers at Duke University Medical Center and John Hopkins University has real concerns for the pro-life community. It found that 60 percent of Americans who are fertility patients would subject their human embryos to scientific research if they weren't going to birth them.

The poll asked patients what they would do with so-called "leftover" human embryos they had no desire to implant and give birth to in a full-term pregnancy.

The poll found that 22 percent would be interested in donating their embryos to couples who are looking for children to adopt. Pro-life advocates say that more should be done to promote the avenue.

Anne Drapkin Lyerly at Duke, talked about the study in a statement and indicated that it was published in the Science Express publication.

She appeared excited by the results and claimed that using so many of the frozen human embryos in existence would be a scientific boon.

"Previous research indicates that there are approximately 400,000 frozen embryos stored in the United States," she said. "If half of those belong to people who are willing to donate embryos for research, and only half that number were in fact donated, there could still be 100,000 embryos available for research."

Ultimately if that many human lives are taken, they would produce 2,000 to 3,000 usable stem cell lines, the researchers said -- which is 100 times the number currently allowed to receive federal funding.

In the study, some 1,020 people were questions who had human embryos frozen at fertility clinics in California, Colorado, Washington, D.C., Maryland, Missouri, New Jersey, North Carolina, Oregon and Pennsylvania.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; embryo; embryonicstemcells; fertilitytreatments; humanlife; killing; moralabsolutes; prolife
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To: EricT.

Right. Wanting a baby is such a horrible thing!


41 posted on 07/09/2007 4:17:28 PM PDT by conservatrice
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

You have me figured out completely. What is your address so I can send you a diploma for a PhD in psychology?


42 posted on 07/09/2007 4:18:37 PM PDT by conservatrice
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To: Ronaldus Magnus

Have you adopted a child? If not, why not? If you have bio children, you are a hypocrit for telling us infertile people that we MUST adopt.


43 posted on 07/09/2007 4:23:43 PM PDT by conservatrice
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To: conservatrice
In-vitro fertilization is not pro-life. It doesn't matter who gets it, what they say, what they were thinking, feeling, or how they view themselves. IVF is not pro-life. It creates unwanted embryos which are frozen and often discarded. It encourages a disconnect of procreation from the sexual act. Obviously, you have a personal interest in this to get so worked up as to come onto a thread that's been dead for two-and-a-half weeks to blast a few posts complaining about it. But your personal feelings makes no difference; IVF is still not pro-life.
44 posted on 07/09/2007 6:44:25 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: marsh_of_mists

I said nothing about feelings. My personal interest has no bearing on this. Embryos do not have to be discarded. As for the “disconnect” between sex and procreation, I have no problem with that, I don’t care what the Pope thinks.

Excuse me for commenting on a thread that’s a few weeks old. I have a life and don’t read every thread on FR every hour.


45 posted on 07/09/2007 7:14:30 PM PDT by conservatrice
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To: conservatrice
If you have bio children, you are a hypocrit [s.i.c] for telling us infertile people that we MUST adopt.

Wow!!! So many errors in one sentence:


46 posted on 07/09/2007 8:36:20 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: conservatrice
You have me figured out completely.

Based on what you have written here, yes, I am afraid I have.

47 posted on 07/09/2007 8:37:42 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: conservatrice
Embryos do not have to be discarded.

What do you think we should do with all the unwanted ones creates by IVF? Embryonic stem cell research. Then we just continue the vicious cycle that encourages the creation and destruction of human life.

As for the “disconnect” between sex and procreation, I have no problem with that, I don’t care what the Pope thinks.

What kind of argument is that? I didn't even mention the Pope! So you don't have a problem with it? Well, I do have a problem with it! And so does the Pope. And we don't care what you think, so nyah nyah nyah NYAH nyah!
48 posted on 07/10/2007 12:58:05 AM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: conservatrice

You certainly have a huge chip on your shoulder.


49 posted on 07/10/2007 5:30:03 AM PDT by EricT. (The tree of liberty needs to be watered...)
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To: EricT.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. My desire to have a child is God-given. I’m sick of being called selfish by people who have never even met me.

IF I ever had IVF, I would not let any of my embryos be destroyed. There are plenty of alternatives to that.


50 posted on 07/10/2007 9:34:36 AM PDT by conservatrice
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To: conservatrice

I never called you selfish. I never called you anything. All I had originally commented on was the 60% of fertility patients that would subject unborn children to research. If you don’t fit in that category, move on. You’re not the first woman I’ve encountered on FR to act like a giant pulsating exposed nerve ending over my comments that don’t pertain to herself. There is medication available for that particular malady, too.


51 posted on 07/10/2007 3:15:43 PM PDT by EricT. (The tree of liberty needs to be watered...)
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To: conservatrice
IF I ever had IVF, I would not let any of my embryos be destroyed. There are plenty of alternatives to that.

What are the alternatives?
52 posted on 07/10/2007 6:46:30 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: wagglebee

Know God or No God. Ah, to have been born in a test tube.


53 posted on 07/10/2007 6:48:35 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (If General Patton was alive, he would slap many faces!!)
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To: EricT.

Unfortunately for you, there’s no cure for being an asshole.


54 posted on 07/12/2007 9:19:46 AM PDT by conservatrice
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To: marsh_of_mists
Duh! Naturally, the people willing to get fertility treatments that lead to "extra" embryos very young humans aren't going to be strongly pro-life.

This is not true. No one knows how MUCH a baby an embryo is more than an infertile couple going through IVF. And so many of them use every one of their embryos or donate to a couple who is more than grateful for the chance to adopt the embies.

However, some of the couples going through IVF are liberal and believe in embryonic research, and some others are just mild, meek, uninformed people who may be swayed to donate their embryos to science by a doctor or a nurse or a coordinator, when the couple is told that their embryos could save lives, bla bla bla.

I think it is important to realize that MANY (more than 40% as portrayed in this article, I am sure) couples going through infertility treatments respect each embryo as if it were already a baby. Many couples are religious and/or conservative.

Thus I believe that the pro-life activism community should focus more of an effort to inform couples going through IVF of the true options, and what "donating to science" means. I hope that someone reading this post takes it as info from the inside and doubles the efforts to affect the decisions made by the less-informed couples with embryos available.

Let them know that they can have choice in which other infertile couples receive their embryos, either through their clinic or on private websites where donors can "meet" recipient families. They can specify which area of the country, what religion, no contact or some contact, anything they like, as though they were giving up babies for adoption. Hit them over the head with how grateful THEY were to be able to start their family. Couples desiring donor embryos are just like they are.

I am sorry to be long here, but I think there is a way to affect people's feelings about their embryos. Tell them their embryos are less than 4 weeks away from their beating little hearts. Get the daddies involved. Genes are not everything. Adoption is parenting too. Either raise the babies from all those embies or allow another couple to share in your joy. Thanks for listening.

55 posted on 07/12/2007 9:34:23 AM PDT by Yaelle (Hoping to see someone crawling under the Oval Office desk again: a real toddler and not an intern!)
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To: Yaelle

Thank you so much for writing a well thought out response. I was too angry to be so eloquent.

If these guys want to save embryos instead of just coming on the board and acting all superior because they’ve never had IVF, they’d learn to be a little more gentle and understanding with those of us going through this hellish journey.

As the old saying goes “You catch more flies with honey...”


56 posted on 07/12/2007 10:43:45 AM PDT by conservatrice
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To: conservatrice

Some people here have heard that a woman “kills” tens of “embryos” with every IVF cycle. This is probably someone’s misinterpretation of the antral follicles which come to the front of the ovary every month, IVF or not.

It’s not just one egg that is “lost” every month with a woman’s period; about 10-30 come forward, and only one or occasionally two actually ripen and are available for the sperm. These are not embryos (babies) but eggs. And they are lost every month to 11-year-old girls and all menstruating females. Many sperm are obviously lost with each ejaculation as well.

The only truth to that thought, that embryos are killed while cycling, is that many are not chromosomally correct and do die along the way. They would have done this whether the conception took place in a marital bed or in the lab.

I think the more that pro-lifer activists learn about the truths of IVF, the more embryos they can try to save. IVF is a good thing. We just need to be careful and always respect life.


57 posted on 07/12/2007 12:51:29 PM PDT by Yaelle (Hoping to see someone crawling under the Oval Office desk again: a real toddler and not an intern!)
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To: Yaelle
I still say there is no reason for a procedure to exist that (a)creates a gulf between the natural sexual act and procreation and (b)allows for creation of embryos that, in affect, in limbo. Okay, maybe some couples go out of there way to see that every embryo is "used", that is, implanted and allowed to develop. But others do not and, unless I've been totally misinformed, a great many are frozen in freezer for undetermined lengths of time, used in stem cell research, or simply discarded. In fact, one major argument of the pro-research people is that they will just be discarded anyway. What about couples who don't want to raise all those embryos and can't find someone else to give it to? The consequences are not worth this.

Infertility, miserable though it may be, is not so dreadful to allow for these unnatural and problematic "cures." I'd like to have children, but I can't have any unless I find a wife. And what if I never do? And what if one of us is unable to have children? Would that justify letting go of ethical principles to have them? No. Abraham and Sarah were infertile, but they didn't have all these modern treatments. All they had was prayer. I wish more modern people were more able to accept God's will in this matter; He is the One who gives us children or chooses not to. Why do we feel empowered to try to circumvent His will through medical technologies to do and have led to countless deaths and the increasing view of life as a commodity. Alright, I'll admit that not everyone who gets IVF feels that way, but that's in spite of the IVF, not because of it.
58 posted on 07/12/2007 5:00:31 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: conservatrice
Unfortunately for you, there’s no cure for being an asshole.

No, but there is a way to prevent it, sweetie.

59 posted on 07/12/2007 7:40:53 PM PDT by EricT. (The tree of liberty needs to be watered...)
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