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...until someone puts forth a decent argument that Genesis refers to eons, rather than what we understand as a twenty-hour day, then all you're doing is blowing smoke in the air patting each other on the back...

You've got to give dear 'pipe some slack, csense. Frequently he says the most outrageous things. I suspect he likes to shock people. :^)

As a matter of fact, I totally agree with you, that Genesis 1 refers to "eons," not to 24-hour days. You can't have 24-hour days before the creation of the sun (it is our earth's orbit around the sun that determines what a "day" is); and that doesn't happen until the fourth "day." In fact, I suspect that the events in Genesis 1 do not happen in time at all.

I'm sorry if I offended you, csense. Thank you for writing.

As a matter of fact, I totally agree with you, that Genesis 1 refers to "eons," not to 24-hour days. You can't have 24-hour days before the creation of the sun (it is our earth's orbit around the sun that determines what a "day" is); and that doesn't happen until the fourth "day." In fact, I suspect that the events in Genesis 1 do not happen in time at all.

I think "void, and without form" might also better translate to something closer to "lifeless and featureless", than "without form or substance", which seems redundant.

As a matter of fact, I totally agree with you, that Genesis 1 refers to "eons," not to 24-hour days. You can't have 24-hour days before the creation of the sun (it is our earth's orbit around the sun that determines what a "day" is); and that doesn't happen until the fourth "day." In fact, I suspect that the events in Genesis 1 do not happen in time at all.

I'm not sure why you're agreeing to a position I don't hold. In principle, I'm not against such an interpretation....of eons....but as I've said, I've yet to hear an argument that has merit, when taken in context to Genesis as a whole.

Some of the arguments stand by themselves when taken out of context, but when you plug them in, they simply doesn't make sense.

That said, I'm not sure why you seem to think that God could not have established such a standard from the beginning, as I remarked on a few posts earlier.

[.. You've got to give dear 'pipe some slack, csense. Frequently he says the most outrageous things. I suspect he likes to shock people. :^) ..]

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.. d;-)~.,.,,
Outrageous is the hubris that some can present what the earth was in Genesis ch 1.. as if Genesis ch 1 (time stamped) was as certain as Quantum Mechanics.. NO WAIT.. Einsteins relativity.. urg!. some other wazoo if'n... Whatever God did to the earth (then) there is no standard to measure or disassemble.. or even conceive of the processes involved..

On the otherhand God is pretty outrageous.. Let there be LIGHT!.. Woo Wee lighting up the Sun like a light bulb.. or starting a campfire.. Actually walking on unfrozen water is quite a trick too.. I tend to like Jesus spitting into some dudes eyes and creating functioning eyes.. Is that outrageous or WHAT?.. Him saying eat my flesh and drink my blood did indeed blow a few Jewish minds.. Many still to this day have their eyes rolling and their tongues hanging out drooling makeing stange noises over that one..

Csense: but I do like to cause Boopie to do double takes ever now again.. I'm guilty.. brothers are like that..