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To: eleni121

Nothing self righteous about it...you have mixed evolution up with abiogenesis...you seem to think that they are the same thing...they are not...just setting the facts straight...abiogenesis, deals with how life may have first appeared...evolution deals with life once it did appear...they are not the same subject...

My point was, if you chose to believe that they are one and the same subject and that makes you happy, then believe it...but you would be wrong...abiogenesis and evolution, are factually, two different subject areas....


568 posted on 06/21/2007 2:49:38 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: andysandmikesmom

I’m familiar with Wikipedia as well...I tell my students to be careful there.

I tell you the same thing.


569 posted on 06/21/2007 2:51:26 PM PDT by eleni121 ((+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: eleni121; andysandmikesmom
When we speak about Evolution we are talking about biological evolution, not some artificially constructed composite of cosmology, astrophysics, chemistry, Abiogenesis, and biological evolution put together by some creationist in order to lump all the supposedly atheistic sciences together.

Evolution (or Biological Evolution, in order to extract it from the morass of creationist propaganda) relies on some very specific mechanisms and processes to show common descent, change in allele frequencies due to differential reproductive success within a population, and the origin of allele variation. Right now, abiogenesis, which is primarily a chemist, biochemist and physicist laden field, has not yet been shown to require those same mechanisms and processes. If at some time in the future, abiogenesis is shown to require and utilize those same mechanisms then we can include abiogenesis, or at least that part of abiogenesis which uses those mechanisms, as part of Evolution.

Abiogenesis is no more an integral part of the ToE (Evo-Devo, SToE) than is the evolution of stars.

599 posted on 06/21/2007 5:21:22 PM PDT by b_sharp (The last door on your right. Jiggle the handle. If they scream ignore it. Leave no quarter.)
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