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Immigration Bill: Any Amendments Cabal doesn't Like will Die in Conference Committee
Right Wing News ^ | 6/14/07 | John Hawkins

Posted on 06/14/2007 7:53:06 AM PDT by Jacksonville Patriot

The Inside Story On What's Happening With The Senate Immigration Bill

Yesterday, a GOP aide, who is one of my sources in the Senate, gave me the rundown on what's happening with the Senate immigration bill (this is the same person who I talked to last week about the bill).

First off, it does look like the Senate immigration bill is coming back. The conventional wisdom seems to be that it's going to be brought up right before the July 4th break, so that the Senate Republican leadership can try to use that as leverage to get votes (in other words, "vote for the bill or we'll have to waste your vacation time until you do").

This is despite the fact that the conservative leaders of the anti-amnesty movement are refusing to cooperate, and won't give Mitch McConnell a list of amendments that they want considered. My source tells me that the reason for this is that the game has now been rigged. McConnell is essentially promising to bring the amendments up in exchange for cloture votes, but he's publicly saying that they will strip any problematic amendments out in committee.

In other words, if the bill gets through the Senate and the House, the Democrats and the open borders Republicans will work together when the bills have to be reconciled in committee to strip out any amendments that the "grand bargainers" don't like. Therefore, at this point, it doesn't matter what amendments pass, because any tough enforcement provisions that slip through will be rendered toothless when the bills are reconciled.

My source also noted that the cloture vote to end debate will be the "real" vote on the bill because if debate is closed off, the bill is sure to pass. Then, what will happen is that the votes for the bill will be counted, and a few Senators who are afraid that their election prospects will be jeopardized by a "yes" vote, will be allowed to vote against the bill. This enables those Senators to tell their constituents that they voted against the bill, but it will still allow them to collect campaign contributions from lobbyists who have a better understanding of how things work, and know that the bill couldn't have been passed without their support. Put another way, they get to reap the rewards of supporting amnesty while telling the voters in their home states that they opposed the bill.

My source also let me know that the White House and the Senate leadership, and Trent Lott in particular, are pushing very hard for this bill.

I asked my source to speculate on why Lott was pushing so hard, and he said that Lott may be naive enough to think that this bill might help John McCain's presidential campaign. He told me that despite McCain's dip in the polls since the bill hit the news, it was hard to miss the fact that the biggest supporters of this bill in the Senate, Jon Kyl, Trent Lott, and Lindsey Graham, are all solidly behind McCain in '08.

Before we finished up, I asked my source what he thought the prospects of passage were. He stated that it was a toss up, but that the pro-amnesty side had the momentum. I asked how that could possibly be given the outpouring of anger against this bill, and he told me that a lot of moderates were afraid of being called racists by people like Michael Chertoff, Luis Gutierrez, and Fred Barnes. He also noted that the Senate has a very insulated, clubhouse like atmosphere, and that a lot of these pro-amnesty Senators seem to be more worried about getting the President or Trent Lott mad at them than enraging the voters in their states. In addition, he told me that he thinks a lot of these Senators have "drunk the DC Kool-Aid", and believe that they're better off passing a bad bill, even one that won't ultimately become law if, as expected, the House kills it, so that they can at least tell the voters in 2008 that they did something about immigration.

PS #1: I asked my source what his boss thought the fallout from this bill would be. He advised me that his boss, and some of his boss's conservative colleagues in the Senate, believe that this bill could gin up so much outrage on the right that it could lead to the GOP having an even worse year in 2008 than they did in 2006. As is, conservatives are disillusioned and unmotivated, and he thinks this bill will make things much worse if it passes the Senate.

PS #2: Another question I had for my source was whether he thought Harry Reid wanted this bill to pass. He replied that he thought Rush Limbaugh was right, and that Harry Reid would prefer to see this bill go away. As evidence for that, he pointed to Reid bringing Byron Dorgan's killer Amendment back three times. He also said that if Reid had really wanted the bill to pass, he would have kept it on the floor for another 2-3 days. At this point though, he said that Reid is probably content to let it come back because after the President's high profile lobbying, he can pin the blame for the bill on Republicans.

John Hawkins | 06:30 AM


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amendments; immigrantlist; immigration; isolated; noamnestyforillegals; senate; traitors; tyrrany; vampirebill; washingtondisease
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1 posted on 06/14/2007 7:53:13 AM PDT by Jacksonville Patriot
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To: Jacksonville Patriot
Fax a Senator for FREE from the WEB. You don't even need to get up from your computer! Three steps:

1. Don't know who to fax? Here is a list of GOP Senators being targeted by the pro-amnesty crowd to flip.

2. Need a fax number? Go to http://www.grassfire.org/19042/targets.htm (Ignore the prices, you are just after the fax numbers).

3. Fax for free from the Web. Put your message in the text box. Go to http://faxzero.com/

That's it. You're done.

I faxed Mitch McConnell the following:

Security first, Senator! Please do not betray your country! We do not want this bill.

You can also email them from a webform here. This site also has their office phone numbers.

2 posted on 06/14/2007 7:57:32 AM PDT by Pete (My kid sister's first novel: Far Horizons at http://www.amazon.co.uk/)
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

Round 2 is beginning.


3 posted on 06/14/2007 7:58:15 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Romans 10:9)
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To: Jacksonville Patriot
My source also noted that the cloture vote to end debate will be the "real" vote on the bill because if debate is closed off, the bill is sure to pass. Then, what will happen is that the votes for the bill will be counted, and a few Senators who are afraid that their election prospects will be jeopardized by a "yes" vote, will be allowed to vote against the bill. This enables those Senators to tell their constituents that they voted against the bill, but it will still allow them to collect campaign contributions from lobbyists who have a better understanding of how things work, and know that the bill couldn't have been passed without their support. Put another way, they get to reap the rewards of supporting amnesty while telling the voters in their home states that they opposed the bill.

Well, this suggests a simple solution.

Vote them all out.
4 posted on 06/14/2007 8:00:46 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Romans 10:9)
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To: Jacksonville Patriot; All
My source tells me that the reason for this is that the game has now been rigged. McConnell is essentially promising to bring the amendments up in exchange for cloture votes, but he's publicly saying that they will strip any problematic amendments out in committee. In other words, if the bill gets through the Senate and the House, the Democrats and the open borders Republicans will work together when the bills have to be reconciled in committee to strip out any amendments that the "grand bargainers" don't like. Therefore, at this point, it doesn't matter what amendments pass, because any tough enforcement provisions that slip through will be rendered toothless when the bills are reconciled.

This is dead-on right. Read this excerpt from yesterday's Washington Times article entitled "Bush Lobbies Senate on Immigration", available at:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070613-120635-9285r.htm

One key question is how to go forward even though several amendments have already cut at the grand bargain -- including limiting the guest-worker program and making it easier to deport those who don't qualify for legalization -- and several other difficult amendments could pass before the bill is final.

Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott, Mississippi Republican, said those amendments will simply disappear when the House and Senate go to conference.

"No big deal -- you pitch those before you get to the Rotunda," he said.

and write or call your senators, Rush, Shawn, Laura, EVERYBODY to show them what a scam this bill is and Lott just admitted it.

5 posted on 06/14/2007 8:03:12 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

Senator Sessions——chewing gum, taking names.
He’s almost out of gum—look out Republicrats!


6 posted on 06/14/2007 8:05:22 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Pete
Lamar Alexander is on the list of the targeted to be flipped senators...his phone answerer didn't know who was going to foot the bill for the extended families who will end up on welfare, need food stamps, want SS disability or the 6% which will end up in our state prisons for criminal acts, nor what was to be done with those currently using fraudlent documents.....I can tell him WE the US citizens are going to have to foot the bill.

You Tube

Reid

This week, we will vote on cloture and final passage of a comprehensive bill that will strengthen border security, bring the 12 million undocumented Americans out of the shadows, and keep our economy strong. In the days ahead, we will work to improve the bill to protect and strengthen family ties while improving the structure of the temporary-worker program.

7 posted on 06/14/2007 8:07:42 AM PDT by GailA (I'm a quilt-a-holic and proud of it. Run Fred Run!)
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To: Pete

Free fax works, folks, I just used it to fax the Senile Senator from Virginia, John “Statesman” Warner.


8 posted on 06/14/2007 8:09:13 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .....)
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To: JamesP81; Jacksonville Patriot
Well, this suggests a simple solution. Vote them all out.

Or, tell the Senators you call that a vote for cloture is a vote for amnesty, aand that you know a vote against the final bill is nothing but a CYA maneuver.

(Mods, I posted this exact same article. Feel free to delete my thread if you want.)

9 posted on 06/14/2007 8:09:30 AM PDT by jhs80
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

This whole thing stinks. There are too many people supporting it for unexplained reasons.


10 posted on 06/14/2007 8:10:30 AM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: jhs80

I found this article at Michelle Malkin’s website and searched Freep using keyword “John Hawkins”. I didn’t mean to step on your toes, and I apologize if I did.


11 posted on 06/14/2007 8:12:12 AM PDT by Jacksonville Patriot
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To: Jacksonville Patriot
I found this article at Michelle Malkin’s website and searched Freep using keyword “John Hawkins”. I didn’t mean to step on your toes, and I apologize if I did.

Totally my fault. I was so incensed at the content of the article - especially the notion that the final vote is a ruse - that I posted without checking for previous posts. My apologies.

12 posted on 06/14/2007 8:21:53 AM PDT by jhs80
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To: JamesP81

Once our social engineers manage to push this cultural experiment past the point of no return, they will vacate to safe havens. I told my son to watch where they are moving to, and do the same. There is a wall in our future, but it will be here to keep us in once all the poor, uneducated, unskilled and uncultured citizens of this hemisphere have flooded into the US. I’m not sure why our politicians want this crisis, but they do, and they are going to cause it, one way or the other.


14 posted on 06/14/2007 8:44:48 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Pete
Thanks for the fax link. I faxed both Cornyn and Hutchison of Texas. I faxed: Senator, the voters are against the Amnesty bill. No amount of spin will convince us that it is anything other than amnesty. Do not believe fake polls that say voters support this. If you support this bill, you will never be elected to office again (as a Republican). Stay strong!
15 posted on 06/14/2007 9:36:37 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: jhs80
Or, tell the Senators you call that a vote for cloture is a vote for amnesty, aand that you know a vote against the final bill is nothing but a CYA maneuver.

A similar incident took place in 94 in my congressional district. When they passed the assault weapons ban our (dem) representative tried to pass himself off as pro 2nd amendment by showing that he voted against the brady assault weapons ban, which he did. What didn't escape the notice of folks around here, however, was that the brady bill came out of committee to the floor by one vote: his. As a result of that, Kentucky's first district elected a republican to represent it in congress in 1994 for the first time since the civil war.

I hope we can get the LSM to pick this up. Barring that, everyone needs to tell their friends and neighbors.

I've already tried that but my friends either 1) don't care or 2) think that illegals are good for the economy. What they don't understand is that I don't care if the economy does collapse if we deport them; God and Country before commerce, always and forever.
16 posted on 06/14/2007 9:43:04 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Romans 10:9)
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To: ryan71; DoctorJim
This whole thing stinks. There are too many people supporting it for unexplained reasons.

Doctor Jim thinks it's globalism, and I think that's part of it. But I have a nasty theory that accounts for another part of it.

I think many of our pols directly or indirectly profit from illegal drugs.

We have this sham war on drugs going on, but the amount getting into the country remains unabated. If it was a problem the pols wanted to fix they could, but nothing is being done. If far stricter laws were passed, drugs were stopped at the border, and more enforcement occurred, there wouldn't be enough drugs get into the country for it to be profitable. The other proposed solution is legalization; this would drive the price down very low. Either way, the drug lords stop making money and, by extension, perhaps also do a number of our political leaders.

This immigration bill and its visa provisions would make it absurdly easy to get drugs into the country, but the fact that they are still illegal keeps the price high. It seems that the situation is engineered specifically to benefit the drug lords. One has to ask himself why our politicians would want that.
17 posted on 06/14/2007 9:52:47 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Romans 10:9)
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

Now that this scam has been made public there’s no Senator that can honestly say later on they didn’t know, or were fooled or deceived when enforcement amendments are removed or the bill made even more liberal. If any one of them votes for cloture they are traitors, period.


18 posted on 06/14/2007 10:37:16 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: JamesP81
This immigration bill and its visa provisions would make it absurdly easy to get drugs into the country...

Drugs and their use are good for the justice system and the prison industry, lots of jobs there you know. That's something else the government could stop or dramatically slow if they truly wanted to.

19 posted on 06/14/2007 10:40:22 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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