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To: Recovering_Democrat

OK, but Bush has really messed up in Iraq. Four years after “liberation,” and Mesopotamia has gone from the frying pan of tyranny into the fire of anarchy: hundreds of thousands of refugees, daily skirmishes and bombings ... situation lost? There’s always hope, but no real sign yet of a turnaround, “surge” or not.


6 posted on 06/13/2007 6:12:43 PM PDT by kilohertz
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To: kilohertz

We went from a few years fighting Nazism in Germany to decades of fighting Communism in Germany.

The KKK remained a force to be fought in the South for a century after Reconstruction.

Wars can be won but it doesn’t mean the job is done. Never has.


12 posted on 06/13/2007 6:28:45 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: kilohertz

divided we fall... Come on get real don’t tell me you haven’t noticed that Michael Moore and the far left nuts launched an attack against Bush on his strengths and blame him for everything campaign starting shortly after 911... They could never led a Republican President succeed going on an offensive against terrorists my God that would just undo everything that the Progressive socialists were about... I mean with that kind of political capital and a united front at home... he could have had his ownership society and made FDR’s New Deal Nanny state a dinosaur. But I digress.. Al-Qaeda found thier alliance with our political left both of them in pursuit of making Bush fail in his efforts to stop a madman from doing to us exactly what UBL did to us... The debate should be framed as to how many American lives were saved because Bush acted and removed Saddam but the liberal media won’t have any of it. They want the impression of lied us into war, war for oil, war for profit, Haliburton, evil Republicans out to get poor miss Plame, corruption and that hypnosis has worked. Now the icing on the cake is the wedge of illegal immigration which turns the Republican base in on itself...

I mean Bush fixing illegal immigration with strictly Conservative measures i.e., Secure the Border then Enforce existing law. is like Bill Clinton, in the middle of the Monica affai,r going to the GOP controlled Congress and pressing to write a law that overturns Roe V Wade. The left would have destroyed itself.


14 posted on 06/13/2007 6:34:05 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (The saddest day in America will be the day that George W. Bush is vindicated.)
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To: kilohertz

What do you mean by messed up? Since when does war stick to a predictable set of events? What has been messed up is the myopic coverage by our treasonous media. What is reprehensible is the fact that more Americans are killed daily within the US than are killed in Iraq. Where is the balance here? No I do not think Bush has “messed up” in Iraq. I believe it is our treasonous media and the seditious Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, Gore, Kerry, and all the other lefty moonbats that are screwing the pooch. Nuff said!


33 posted on 06/13/2007 9:07:04 PM PDT by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: kilohertz

Wrong. Saddam Hussein is gone—permanently. Good. We’re doing counterinsurgency warfare fairly well, but even if we could eliminate the sources of support for the terrorists (the Islamic Republic of Iran, Syrian Arab Republic, and others), victory still will require several years. We must convert the Iraqi people to our side and slowly and steadily reduce the number and popular support for the opposition. The American Revolution raged for eight years. We fought the Philippine Insurrection for fifteen years. Almost none in the media and even few Republicans seem to understand the time required to defeat the enemy.

Let us count the signs that we’re winning. Our side seems to dominate the countryside, and local leaders even in heretofore intransigent Anbar province are joining our side. But we cannot win in Iraq without defeating the enemy, and we politically cannot attack the self-proclaimed invincible superpower who we oppose—the Islamic Republic of Iran. We apparently still might get more efficient at identifying and eliminating the enemy after said enemy infiltrates the borders as porous as our southwestern frontier.

Victory is a difficult proposition that will require the entirety of both quadrennial terms of the next President and quite possibly some of his successor to achieve. Think 2019 as a goal here and work every day toward that goal. Keep reducing the population of Islamofascist terrorists still alive. Our present policy surely beats that of a certain ex-president rightly derided as the “sex offender in chief” for his misplaced priorities. We managed to nail 27 terrorists during both his quadrennia. We now kill more terrorists practically every day than Clinton managed to remove from the theater of combat during his entire Presidency as al-Qaeda trained tens of thousands of terrorists.

When it becomes politic to do so, we can engage this war toward victory. But until that time arrives, we should aim to enhance our positions and continue to kill whichever part of the enemy is politic to kill.


38 posted on 06/13/2007 9:34:54 PM PDT by dufekin (Name the leader of our enemy: Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, terrorist dictator)
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