Posted on 06/12/2007 1:24:58 AM PDT by goldstategop
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
“Their psyche, their emotions, and/or their political agenda bring them to their belief in a hidden conspiracy. Never the facts.”
A perfect view of these people is to listen to Coast to Coast on late night radio. I refer to it as Kook to Kook.
It is a great view into the minds of deranged fools.
It is fun listening for me, as I can get it via internet radio when I am just waking up.
Do I have to give up on the facts surrounding the downing of TWA Flight 800 too?
You know, I watch the Zapruder film, and I can’t help but notice how much it looked like a controlled demolition. Also, I swear you can see a SAM hit that plane right before it crashed.... wait, I’m all confused!
Well, I’m glad that’s cleared up.
“— but there are no successful hidden conspiracies. I cannot think of one in my lifetime.”
Dennis; by definition, if you could think of one of these; it wouldn’t be one.
One fact that overly rational people sometimes fail to take into account is that a big enough conspiracy can be hidden in plain sight by virtue of its incredible nature. For example, let's say that a retired NASA astronaut were to write a book stating unequivically that the U.S. government was involved in hiding the fact that UFOs were spacecraft created by extraterrestrial aliens. No one would believe him except a few conspiracy nuts. After all, if there were really were a conspiracy to cover up the truth about UFOs, no astronaut would ever admit it, right?
Or what if a distinguished and well-connected professor of history from Harvard with an Ivy League teaching career were to calmly admit in print that the U.S. and UK governments are secretly controlled by a conspiracy composed of the Anglo-American business and political elite (including the Council on Foreign Relations) and that both the Republican and Democratic parties are controlled by an international Anglophile network? Who'd believe him? I mean, a conspiracy that big would be too big to hide, right?
Right. A conspiracy doesn't have to hide if it's big enough. The bigger a conspiracy is, the less likely people are to believe it is real — even if the truth is standing on a grassy knoll right beside them with a gun in its hands.
I´ve experienced that, too. Stand up and get your life in order, and don´t blame the government, the weather, your parents, or whoever that your life isn´t like you want it to be.
I am in the camp that goes with the “shot down” theory.
It is a bit different then a conspiracy theory.
I guess the only conspiracy there is government cover up
of a terror attack, or accidental shoot down.
As for OKC/911 and whatever, there are just too damn many people that would have to be involved if they were anything other then what they were.
I can name one conspiracy that has never been solved. What happened to Jimmy Hoffa? Another conspiracy which held almost completely until Hiroshima was the development of the Atomic Bomb (defining conspiracy as keeping an activity secret but not necessarily criminal). Another would be the breaking of the Enigma code.
While I happen to agree that the JFK assassination was the work on one lone nut, by definition a successful conspiracy can never be documented. We would not know about it. Some events just crawl through our minds that we are not getting the whole story such as the following:
1. Vince Foster and Ron Brown
2. Oklahoma City
3. TWA 800
4. O.J. Simpson
I would think a book about the history of conspiracies, how long they held, and why they finally broke would be fascinating. Such a study could verify that successful conspiracies could go on for a long time (perhaps forever if the involved parties died).
I have a problem with 9/11 theories BECAUSE of TWA Flight 800. Remember how we were told to believe the reports that people saw something fly up from the ground and hit Flight 800? Well, on September 11 we saw the airplanes fly into the World Trade Center, and later we saw a video of another airliner hitting the Pentagon, but conspiracy theorists tell us we’re not supposed to believe our own eyes in this case. Something’s inconsistent here!
“Sometimes conspiracies really do exist. After all, our country is the result of a conspiracy between the members of a cabal of wealthy, ideologically-motivated revolutionaries who succeeded in their plot to overthrow the lawful government under which they lived. Ideology aside, at the most basic level John Hancock and Thomas Jefferson were revolutionaries — the Fidel and Che of 18th Century New England.”
I tend to disagree with you about the analogy with those murderous thugs. While all the early fathers (Hancock, Jefferson, Adams, Washington) had personal motivations for the Revolution, they later demonstrated that they would work within the system which developed and lay aside power within a democratic framework. Neither Fidel nor Che (of course Che never had the chance thanks to the Bolivians) can claim such an approach. A better example of Fidel and Che would be Aaron Burr, but Burr was not nearly as bad.
This depends on the limits or definition of a conspiracy.
Two people can conspire to do something, as in Vice Foster,
or even TWA 800.
How is OJ a conspiracy? It is one nut (OJ) that killed two people.
OKC would require the work of many, if it was a set up demolition. It would be hard to cover up.
9/11 would have required a cast of many thousands for it to be anything other then what it was. On Kook to Kook, everything in life is some big conspiracy
of the Illuminati or some such garbage.
Contrails have now become chem trails. It is so laughable.
I am also in this camp. Remember who was ‘el presidente’ then and you don’t need to go much further. Still a lot of unanswered questions and why the government would choose to say that scores or hundreds of eyewitnesses were lying...just boggles the mind!
This may be true, but the Propaganda Machine (the "Mainstream Newsmedia") can hide anything behind a wall of disinformation, obfuscation, censorship, manipulation, groupthink, re-writing of history, and confusion--and its so-called "journalists" regularly do.
“— but there are no successful hidden conspiracies. I cannot think of one in my lifetime.”
How about the fascists at Fish & Wildlife who planted lynx hairs in the northwest a few years back to ensure closure of federal lands to people?
Oh, that’s right, this government conspiracy was revealed. It’s no longer hidden so it doesn’t qualify as a “hidden” conspiracy.
Now, let’s talk about the global warming conspiracy. Oh, the science is settled, those who don’t believe are “deniers” and we need to plan out stipends to pay off the high priest Goracle.
And let’s not bring up the “Oil for food” conspiracy. That might wreck Prager’s carefully knitted cocoon.
See The Pearl Harbor Myth - Rethinking the Unthinkable
George Victor, Potomac Books, January 2007
The Declaration of Independence is the product of a conspiracy?
The men who made the revolution were by and large the colonial political establishment of their era. They had been engaged for years in open quarrels with the mother country. They had debated, negotiated, agitated, and compromised. The process could hardly have been more public. In the end, they assembled in convention in Philadelphia and voted a resolution calling for independence, had it printed, rang the bell, read it out to the public, and published it across the colonies.
If you call this a conspiracy, just about concerted action can be called a conspiracy.
I am not saying any of them are conspiracies. OJ would be a conspiracy because others (possibly AC or his daughter) most likely conspired to destroy evidence.
OKC because of the mysterious third person seen during the execution of the event. I am not sure that person actually exists, but I am just citing it as an example.
If sufficient motivation exists, anyone can keep a secret.
No. I don’t think 9/11 was a conspiracy other than that created by the fanatical Moslems who executed it. My point is that a successful conspiracy is not known by its very definition. Where you could have a conspiracy is in the conscious failure to stop these individuals (ala Franklin Roosevelt and Pearl Harbor). I don’t think explosive charges were set off and I don’t think missiles or drone planes were used on 9/11. Three airliners with passengers and crew were guided towards three buildings by nuts.
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