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Today, Dennis Prager uses Vincent Bugliosi's new book on the JFK assassination to debunk conspiracies. There are different reasons people posit a conspiracy: one guy couldn't do ALL that, they believe people they hate are pawns of a malevolent conspiracy, the obvious truth isn't nearly as fascinating as conjuring up a who-dunit scenario, its a way of shifting one's own shortcomings onto others and for secular people, it fulfills a need to believe in something greater than themselves. When all is said and done though, most of the time, the truth is just that: obvious.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 06/12/2007 1:25:03 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

“Their psyche, their emotions, and/or their political agenda bring them to their belief in a hidden conspiracy. Never the facts.”

A perfect view of these people is to listen to Coast to Coast on late night radio. I refer to it as Kook to Kook.

It is a great view into the minds of deranged fools.
It is fun listening for me, as I can get it via internet radio when I am just waking up.


2 posted on 06/12/2007 1:39:24 AM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia. Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: goldstategop; leadpenny

Well, I’m glad that’s cleared up.


5 posted on 06/12/2007 2:00:55 AM PDT by shove_it (old Old Guardsman)
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“— but there are no successful hidden conspiracies. I cannot think of one in my lifetime.”

Dennis; by definition, if you could think of one of these; it wouldn’t be one.


6 posted on 06/12/2007 2:03:06 AM PDT by John W
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Sometimes conspiracies really do exist. After all, our country is the result of a conspiracy between the members of a cabal of wealthy, ideologically-motivated revolutionaries who succeeded in their plot to overthrow the lawful government under which they lived. Ideology aside, at the most basic level John Hancock and Thomas Jefferson were revolutionaries — the Fidel and Che of 18th Century New England.

One fact that overly rational people sometimes fail to take into account is that a big enough conspiracy can be hidden in plain sight by virtue of its incredible nature. For example, let's say that a retired NASA astronaut were to write a book stating unequivically that the U.S. government was involved in hiding the fact that UFOs were spacecraft created by extraterrestrial aliens. No one would believe him except a few conspiracy nuts. After all, if there were really were a conspiracy to cover up the truth about UFOs, no astronaut would ever admit it, right?

Or what if a distinguished and well-connected professor of history from Harvard with an Ivy League teaching career were to calmly admit in print that the U.S. and UK governments are secretly controlled by a conspiracy composed of the Anglo-American business and political elite (including the Council on Foreign Relations) and that both the Republican and Democratic parties are controlled by an international Anglophile network? Who'd believe him? I mean, a conspiracy that big would be too big to hide, right?

Right. A conspiracy doesn't have to hide if it's big enough. The bigger a conspiracy is, the less likely people are to believe it is real — even if the truth is standing on a grassy knoll right beside them with a gun in its hands.

7 posted on 06/12/2007 2:04:50 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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4. People who feel powerless over their own lives are far more likely to believe that some invisible force controls their fate than people who believe that they are the masters of their lives.

I´ve experienced that, too. Stand up and get your life in order, and don´t blame the government, the weather, your parents, or whoever that your life isn´t like you want it to be.

8 posted on 06/12/2007 2:04:58 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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I can name one conspiracy that has never been solved. What happened to Jimmy Hoffa? Another conspiracy which held almost completely until Hiroshima was the development of the Atomic Bomb (defining conspiracy as keeping an activity secret but not necessarily criminal). Another would be the breaking of the Enigma code.

While I happen to agree that the JFK assassination was the work on one lone nut, by definition a successful conspiracy can never be documented. We would not know about it. Some events just crawl through our minds that we are not getting the whole story such as the following:

1. Vince Foster and Ron Brown
2. Oklahoma City
3. TWA 800
4. O.J. Simpson

I would think a book about the history of conspiracies, how long they held, and why they finally broke would be fascinating. Such a study could verify that successful conspiracies could go on for a long time (perhaps forever if the involved parties died).


10 posted on 06/12/2007 2:18:09 AM PDT by exhaustguy
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"government can rarely hide...what it wishes to hide"

This may be true, but the Propaganda Machine (the "Mainstream Newsmedia") can hide anything behind a wall of disinformation, obfuscation, censorship, manipulation, groupthink, re-writing of history, and confusion--and its so-called "journalists" regularly do.

15 posted on 06/12/2007 2:42:33 AM PDT by Savage Beast (A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within.~Durant)
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bump


20 posted on 06/12/2007 3:15:52 AM PDT by don-o (“I don`t expect politicians to solve anyone's problems.The world owes us nothing” Bob Dylan)
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Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations.
22 posted on 06/12/2007 3:23:00 AM PDT by don-o (“I don`t expect politicians to solve anyone's problems.The world owes us nothing” Bob Dylan)
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It’s easier for these lazy a$$e$ to make up a story then to remember the facts. It’s like the kid who does a book report on a book that doesn’t exist.


23 posted on 06/12/2007 3:43:54 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Nosotros no hablamos español.)
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Would the meetings that Kennedy, Graham, et al had with La Raza to cram an immigration amnesty bill down the throats of the American people qualify as “a conspiracy”???


24 posted on 06/12/2007 4:42:28 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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He is right about the 9/11 conspiracy nuts, but to believe Oswald acted alone, one must swallow “facts” contrary to the laws of physics: A human body cannot be struck by a bullet from the back and react by plunging BACKWARDS. A single bullet could not go through Kennedy’s body, make a 45-degree turn in mid-air, then plunge into Connally, shattering bones in both men, and then be found on JFK’s stretcher at the hospital in pristine, mint condition — an intelligence-insulting theory developed by none other than now-Sen. Arlen Specter (RINO-PA) when he worked for the Warren Commission. (We certainly know about HIS integrity!) Further, Oswald’s marksmanship record as a Marine simply does not lead one to believe that he could have fired all those shots as accurately and as quickly as they were fired. Most of the JFK theories are, I agree, fantasies, but there are real questions like these that the Warren Commission not only failed to adequately address, but offered explanations that no sane person could swallow.


26 posted on 06/12/2007 7:25:56 AM PDT by JTR1888
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How about the “vast right wing conspiracy” theory?


27 posted on 06/12/2007 7:43:23 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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