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Detroit hospital closing part of pattern
AP via Yahoo! News ^ | 6/10/07 | SVEN GUSTAFSON

Posted on 06/10/2007 11:26:49 AM PDT by libertarianPA

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To: Snoopers-868th
Why am I expected to provide it every time when HIPAA was suppose to be the answer to medical information regarding patients?

You're not serious.

HIPAA, like all the other Leninist health initiatives since 1965, is designed to destroy what we have.

As Lenin his own self said,"The worse, the better", meaning that if you destroy whatever works first, the people will turn to you in frustration.

Nobody who does not know Lenin can understand the course of US health policy over the last forty years.

41 posted on 06/10/2007 3:45:14 PM PDT by Jim Noble (We don't need to know what Cho thought. We need to know what Librescu thought.)
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To: restornu
as far as you are concerned, I have fallen off the edge of the earth.

The pinnacle of "right thinking" intellectuals is the Northeast and other liberal enclaves. I'm just a little nothing living in flyover country.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'd rather be a garbage man in Texas than a $1,000,000 a year salaried suit up north.

we'd be making the same net pay and my kids would have to grow up with the government nipple mentality that a majority of folks have who live in democrat fiefdoms.

42 posted on 06/10/2007 3:49:06 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: Jim Noble

bingo...look at the first thing that Chavez destroyed.


43 posted on 06/10/2007 3:49:49 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: joe fonebone
hospitals.....farmers....auto companies...if you are so poor at running a business, then you deserve to go out of business....

Emergency rooms (at least one's I've seen in Seattle and Los Angeles) have big signs all over the place informing people (in English and Spanish) that they cannot be turned away if they don't have insurance. Why would anyone buy insurance if this is the case?

44 posted on 06/10/2007 3:54:03 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Dick Vomer

Who do you think is making $1,000,000 all I know you have insulted me so you can blow off steam, even if you don’t like Detroit it was once a solid City if was the 5th largest city in its day!

BTW Michigan is consider midwest not northeast!


45 posted on 06/10/2007 3:58:11 PM PDT by restornu
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To: Cementjungle

Unless you are self employed you get the insurance your
employer provides.

Even if you have to buy it, it affords more convenient
care than you get shlepping into LA Co General, Parkland
or some other big inner city ER.

But anyway, the point is that we as a humane society aren’t
going to leave folks, fellow humans made in the likeness
of God, to die on the sidewalks for lack of care.

If we begin to do that, this won’t be my country anymore.
Hospitals exist for reasons beyond the profit motive.


46 posted on 06/10/2007 4:03:43 PM PDT by rahbert
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To: Old Professer
Your candor is truly refreshing.
47 posted on 06/10/2007 4:05:26 PM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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To: libertarianPA
Businesses close when people aren't paying their bills. The medical business is no different. Government mandates treatment, but doesn't require patients to pay it back. The medical facility and the taxpayers get ripped off. The only way to stop the financial hemorrhage is to close the business. Playing the "poor black" race card is typical of a leftist journalist. The criteria for closing the hospital is financial. Businesses aren't required to stay in business at a loss.

The same thing is happening to emergency rooms around San Diego. The illegal aliens use them for "free" medical care. They continue to close. San Diego is hardly a poor, urban center. The problem is the same. Hordes of non-paying "customers".

48 posted on 06/10/2007 4:13:47 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: rahbert
But anyway, the point is that we as a humane society aren’t going to leave folks, fellow humans made in the likeness of God, to die on the sidewalks for lack of care.

If we begin to do that, this won’t be my country anymore. Hospitals exist for reasons beyond the profit motive.

The problem is the fact that people who can't afford insurance (or don't see it as a priority for them) use the emergency rooms as their primary care givers and go there for everything from the flu to toothaches. How many illegal immigrant births are performed on a daily basis? Is the solution simply make the rest of us fork over all out earnings to support this?

49 posted on 06/10/2007 4:16:02 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: rahbert
Hospitals exist for reasons beyond the profit motive.

But they need to pay their employees and suppliers with cash.

No cash, no hospital, whatever the "reasons" they exist.

50 posted on 06/10/2007 4:16:09 PM PDT by Jim Noble (We don't need to know what Cho thought. We need to know what Librescu thought.)
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To: alloysteel
What this amounts to, is the availability of care based on the ability to pay, a most personally responsible manner at which to look at delivery of medical services.

I get treated the same way at most restaurants. They aren't going to serve me if they don't think I'm going to pay the bill. Same thing at the auto dealer. Money talks, BS walks.

51 posted on 06/10/2007 4:17:10 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Jim Noble

I know. I was trying to make a point. I resisted HIPAA because I resent the distribution of my medical information. Be that as it may, now after the fact, I am asked to jump through even more hoops. I am sick of hoops and signing my name under the guise of waiving, in some fashion, some right. We are waiving our rights right away—for nothing.


52 posted on 06/10/2007 4:22:42 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Jim Noble

Further, the invasion of medical information under the guise of HIPAA with regard to a Dentist I find really disgusting. Fix my teeth already—my health (including my Blood Pressure) is none of their business and I WILL sign a waiver for that.


53 posted on 06/10/2007 4:25:18 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Cementjungle

“Emergency rooms (at least one’s I’ve seen in Seattle and Los Angeles) have big signs all over the place informing people (in English and Spanish) that they cannot be turned away if they don’t have insurance.”

Does anyone know the intent of that law? Is it to provide EMERGENCY CARE only- i.e, stabilize a heart attack patient, or does the law require that someone with a splinter cannot be turned away?

Seems to me this could be handled in triage....anyone not having EMERGENCY symptoms could be turned away.


54 posted on 06/10/2007 4:33:41 PM PDT by Reddy
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To: Snoopers-868th
I really resent having my Blood Pressure taken and having to provide a list of medications to my dentist. I have to do this every time I get my teeth cleaned. Then I have to attest to it by signing.

What is this signing all about?

It's about not getting sued. It's about informed consent. Your service provider is making sure decisions are made based on the best information YOU provided. Your provider is ensuring that you understand the services/medications and attest that you understand. Those documents will magically appear in court should you try to sue with the claim that you didn't understand what was going on.

I planned to go to medical school during the summer following 8th grade. When I graduated with a degree in Molecular Biology at age 19, I was no longer interested in medicine. The legal profession made it very unattractive. My sister stayed the course as an RN. She has been in the OB department at Mercy Hospital since 1979. She spends 90% of her time filling out paperwork to protect the hospital from lawsuits. Not much nursing.

55 posted on 06/10/2007 4:36:49 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Bon mots
Repeat after me... "Union YES!"

That's a popular bumper sticker on the decrepit vehicles around Pocatello. The other one is "Right to Work Laws Suck". The unions can't compete with better quality. They depend on government thuggery to force people to join their ranks. The unemployed union members are clueless.

56 posted on 06/10/2007 4:40:36 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Reddy
Seems to me this could be handled in triage....anyone not having EMERGENCY symptoms could be turned away.

Instead they wait in line with everyone else. The only ones sent to the head of the line are those with breathing problems. Emergency rooms still get tied up dealing with these cases, doctors still have to spend their time on them.

57 posted on 06/10/2007 4:58:29 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: restornu

WRONG! It was managerial INCOMPETANCE that sunk the Big Three. Maybe if they didn’t build rust buckets with poor fuel efficiency in the 1960s and 70s, to say nothing of the cheap interiors of the current vehicles, Americans would buy more of their cars.


58 posted on 06/10/2007 5:00:45 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: goldstategop

True, although Detroit does not exactly have a large illegal population. Even the illegals are too scared to move to that city.


59 posted on 06/10/2007 5:01:36 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: restornu
BTW Michigan is consider midwest not northeast!

high taxes=check

union stronghold=check

democratic enclave=check

class warfare mecca=check

I've come to agree with you, that I shouldn't expose myself to the great state of Michigan or the veritable Nirvana of Detroit. I'll never live North of the Red River, West of the Pecos River, East of the Sabine or south of the Nueces River....

I'm sure that the folks that live outside of those boundaries are glad to be rid of me as I am to be rid of them.

I honestly couldn't care less if Detroit was the 5th largest city, so what...... I remember an interview with a typical northeastern snob that was shocked that I mentioned that I was born in San Antonio... he thought it's a nice little city. I mentioned that it was bigger than Boston and he proceeded to tell me I was wrong and that there was no way that could be.

I had a nice little chuckle when he pulled the 1980 census data up and looked it up to show me how stupid Texans are about little old San Antonio.

60 posted on 06/10/2007 9:28:11 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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