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To: bedolido

Lying in Islam [”Lying is not always bad”]

Satan is father the first lie and we know how much that lie has cost humanity. Only Satan would have you believe lying is not always bad


7 posted on 06/08/2007 11:14:31 AM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: Cinnamon
This is the Islamic account of how Moh. received his first visions... remember, this what the Muslims themselves believe: the rest (including the full-of-contempt-for-Islam commentary) is excerpted from Prophet of Doom

[This is a Hadith]

Bukhari:V1B1N3-V6B60N478 "The commencement of divine inspiration to Allah’s Messenger was in the form of dreams that came true like a bright light. The Prophet loved the seclusion of a cave in Hira. The angel came to him and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, 'I do not know how to read.' The Prophet added, 'Then the angel caught me forcefully and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it any more. He released me and asked me to read. I replied, "I do not know how to read." Thereupon he caught me again and pressed me till I could not bear it any more. He asked me to read but I replied, "I do not know how to read or what shall I read?" Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me, "Read in the name of your Lord who has created man from a clot. Read! Your Lord is the most generous." Then the Apostle returned from that experience; the muscles between his neck and shoulders were trembling, and his heart beating severely. He went to Khadija and cried, 'Cover me! Cover me.' She did until his fear subsided. He said, 'What’s wrong with me? I am afraid that something bad has happened to me.' Khadija replied, 'Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you....'"
[This is from the Sira... (The Sira along with the Hadith and Koran form the corpus of Islam's holy texts)]
Ishaq:105 "Aisha said that when Allah desired to honor Muhammad, the first sign of prophethood was a vision in brightness of day shown to him in his sleep. [In other words, he was dreaming.] He liked nothing better than to be alone. When he left Mecca and there was no house in sight, every stone and tree that passed by said, 'Peace be unto you, Allah’s Apostle.' Muhammad would turn around and see naught but trees and stones. [In other words, he was stoned.] He stayed seeing and hearing things as long as it pleased Allah. Then Gabriel came to him with the gift of Allah’s grace [the spiritual beating] while he was on Hira in the month of Ramadhan. The Apostle would pray in seclusion on Hira every year for a month to practice Tahannuth as was the custom of the Quraysh in the heathen days. [In other words, Muhammad was a heathen and the Islamic Pillar requiring Ramadhan fasting was pagan.] Tahannuth is religious devotion [to pagan idols]. After praying in seclusion, he would walk around the Ka'aba seven times. [The centerpiece of the Hajj Pillar is pagan as well.]"

Ishaq:106 "The Prophet set off to Hira with his family. When it was night, Gabriel brought him the command of Allah. 'He came to me,' the Apostle said, 'while I was asleep, with a coverlet of brocade whereon was some writing, and said, 'Read.' I said, 'What shall I read.' He pressed me so tightly that I was near death. Then he let go and said, 'Read!'" This happens twice more, then... "When I thought I was nearly dead I said, 'What shall I read; only to deliver myself from him, lest he should do the same thing to me again. He said, 'Read in the name of your Lord who created man of blood coagulated. Read! Your generous Lord taught by the pen.'" Then the illiterate man said, "So I read it, and he departed from me. I awoke from my sleep. These words were written on my heart."

Ishaq reports: "None of Allah’s creatures was more hateful to me than an ecstatic poet or a man possessed. I thought, 'Woe is me, I'm a possessed poet.'" The worst thing that can befall a man or woman is to be possessed by the devil. He or she loses all sense of decency. To his credit, Muhammad recognized what had happened. To his shame, he damned three billion souls along with his own.

Ishaq:106 "I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself down that I may kill myself and be at rest." There was no doubt in his mind. During the violent encounter with the spirit in the darkness of that cave, Muhammad had been possessed by the Devil. He wanted to commit suicide - something that Satan could not allow. He had big plans for his prophet.

Ishaq:106 "So I climbed to the mountain to kill myself when I heard a voice saying, 'Muhammad, you are Allah’s Apostle.' I raised my head to see who was speaking and lo, I saw Gabriel in the form of a man with feet astride the horizon." How, pray tell, would our terrified and possessed poet distinguish between Gabriel and Lucifer? And since the first revelation was sinister, that’s a problem.

Bukhari:V9B87N113 "The Prophet said, 'A good dream is from Allah, and a bad dream is from Satan.'"

By his own account, this was a bad dream.


21 posted on 06/08/2007 1:12:50 PM PDT by pacelvi
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To: Cinnamon
"Only Satan would have you believe lying is not always bad."

Do you believe lying is always bad?

25 posted on 06/08/2007 3:18:51 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Cinnamon

Only Satan would have you believe lying is not always bad

Cinnamon believes that lying is always bad. Is that a true statement?

31 posted on 06/09/2007 8:02:26 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Cinnamon
Only Satan would have you believe lying is not always bad

And in the famous hypothetical what do you do: you are hiding Jews in Germany during the holocaust and the SS comes to your door to ask if you know the location of any Jews. Do you lie? If not, I think Satan has corrupted your priorities.
32 posted on 06/09/2007 8:06:44 AM PDT by newguy357
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