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BATTLE OF MIDWAY - 65 years ago today
June 4, 2007

Posted on 06/04/2007 2:29:23 AM PDT by Zakeet

The Battle of Midway was a pivotal naval battle in the Pacific Theater of World War II. It took place from June 4 to June 7, 1942, approximately one month after the Battle of the Coral Sea, about five months after the Japanese capture of Wake Island, and six months after the Empire of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor that had led to a formal state of war between the United States and Japan. During the battle, the United States Navy defeated a Japanese attack against Midway Atoll (located northwest of Hawaii) and destroyed four Japanese aircraft carriers and a heavy cruiser while losing a carrier and a destroyer.

The battle was a crushing defeat for the Japanese and is widely regarded as the most important naval battle of World War II. The battle permanently weakened the Japanese Navy, particularly through the loss of over 200 naval aviators. Strategically, the U.S. Navy was able to seize the initiative in the Pacific and go on the offensive.

Much more information about this decisive battle can be found HERE and HERE.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: battle; midway; milhist; militaryhistory; victory; wwii
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To: johnny7

Red Parks and the heroes of VMF-221.


21 posted on 06/04/2007 5:12:31 AM PDT by IGOTMINE (1911s FOREVER!)
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To: Zakeet

Spruance, you magnificant bastard!


22 posted on 06/04/2007 5:13:41 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Cruel is a matter of perspective." Cap'n Jack Sparrow)
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To: rickdylan
the Japanese had every other kind of edge in this battle

Not really. The US victory is far too often attributed to luck, "a miracle" or solely to intelligence. Frankly, we won because we were, overall, better.

Anyone with any interest in the battle should read "Shattered Sword" the recent book based largely on new research into Japanese sources.

There actually were about equal numbers of aircraft on both sides (our CVs carried more planes), and there were fundamental, egregious flaws in Japanese CAP techniques and damage control. While the Japanese pilots were the most thourougly trainedi in the world and many had combat experience, the gap between them and the USN pilots is often greatly exagerrated(same goes for aircraft,the Zero often gets overrated.)

23 posted on 06/04/2007 5:14:00 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist

Yeah... in the bag. /s


24 posted on 06/04/2007 5:20:36 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: IGOTMINE

From (http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq81-8c.htm) recount of Lt. George Gay, the sole survivor from Topedo 8:

“I might just as well start down. Well, Torpedo 8 had a difficult problem, we had old planes and we were new in the organization. We had a dual job of not only training a squadron of boot [inexperienced] Ensigns, of which I was one of course, we also had to fight the war at the same time, and when we finally got up to the Battle of Midway it was the FIRST time I had ever carried a torpedo on an aircraft and was the first time I had ever had taken a torpedo off of a ship, had never even seen it done. None of the other Ensigns in the squadron had either.

Quite a few of us were a little bit skeptical and leery but we’d seen [Lieutenant Colonel James H.] Doolittle [USA] and his boys when they hadn’t even seen a carrier before and they took the B-25s [twin-engine “Mitchell” bombers] off, we figured by golly if they could do it, well we could too. It turned out the TBD [Douglas “Devastator” Torpedo Bomber] could pick up the weight, so it was easy. We learned everything that we knew about Japanese tactics and our own tactics from Commander Waldron and Lt. Moore and Lieutenant Owens as they gave it to us on the blackboards and in talks and lectures. We had school everyday and although we didn’t like it at the time, it turned out that was the only way in the world we could learn the things we had to know, and we exercised on the flight deck, did all kinds of things that we’d have to do artificially because we couldn’t do our flying most of the time.

In the Coral Sea Battle we tried to get there and missed out on most of it but we were able along about that time to get in some bombing practice and to do some submarine patrol. However, the squadron didn’t get to fly near as much as we should have. In the actual battle do you want me to say anything about the actual Battle at Midway and what we had there?


25 posted on 06/04/2007 5:23:28 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: iopscusa

I am not too familiar with the critiques of the battle. Is it generally thought that Torpedo 8, being an inexperienced unit with obsolete equipment, was sacrificed in order to get the Japanese air cover out of position and at low altitude?


26 posted on 06/04/2007 5:45:09 AM PDT by gridlock (Fred Dalton Thompson will be the Next President of the United States)
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To: Strategerist
Another MAJOR problem with the IJN was shipboard damage control. The USN was good & got better at saving carriers that had taken hits. Recall that the Yorktown was actually done in by a torpedo from a submarine while she was under tow. IOW's she was burned & listing but in the process of being recovered when her back was broken. With a little luck she might have made it back to Pearl.
27 posted on 06/04/2007 7:43:15 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: gridlock
I am not too familiar with the critiques of the battle. Is it generally thought that Torpedo 8, being an inexperienced unit with obsolete equipment, was sacrificed in order to get the Japanese air cover out of position and at low altitude?

That was just happenstance. The torpedo planes & dive bombers were supposed to coordinate their attacks, but got separated.

28 posted on 06/04/2007 7:45:15 AM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: iopscusa

Here is a podcast on the Battle of Midway that you might enjoy.


29 posted on 06/04/2007 7:52:24 AM PDT by Seniram US (Quote of the Day: Smile You're An American)
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To: iopscusa

Sorry,I forgot the url for the Battle of Midway

http://usmilitaryhistory.com/podcast/midway.mp3


30 posted on 06/04/2007 7:54:03 AM PDT by Seniram US (Quote of the Day: Smile You're An American)
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To: Zakeet
In honor of Torpedo Squadron 8. Only one member came home. Their attack distracted the Jap plans, and paved the way for the dive bombers.


31 posted on 06/04/2007 7:55:23 AM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: elcid1970
Thank G-d for our brave military - they made it possible for me to be able to write this!

In their honor, write it like this:

Thank God for our brave military - they made it possible for me to be able to write this!

32 posted on 06/04/2007 8:05:54 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: MBB1984

Remember the US Aviator who went down and watched the whole battle while floating in the water? Lt. Gay, if my memory serves me well.


33 posted on 06/04/2007 8:12:23 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

I believe you are correct! I remember his story in the movie.


34 posted on 06/04/2007 8:34:59 AM PDT by MBB1984
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35 posted on 06/04/2007 2:41:25 PM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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To: magslinger; ALOHA RONNIE




Thanks for pinging this, Magslinger. The Battle of Midway has a thousand tales....finding some new ones.

Happy Birthday Ronnie!

36 posted on 06/04/2007 6:58:38 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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Thank GOD for my loving World War II Mother EVELYN’s getting ready to give birth to me 65 years ago today, as the Japanese were just’a headin her way to America’s West Coast.

Yes, Sir ..ALOHA RONNIE was blessed to thankfully arrive on scene on June 10, 1942 to a still Free United States of America because of the heroism of many at the Battle of Midway.

I have recently met and personally thanked a surviving Midway Island Veteran Pilot who was fighting against Japanese Fleet offshore on June 4th & 5th, 1942. To end his last mission, he landed dead stick on a Midway Island airstrip ..completely out of gas.

And here we come together 65 years later to share our mutual stories.

Miracles do indeed seem to happen in some very loving ways..?

.


37 posted on 06/04/2007 7:24:22 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Strategerist

"Shattered Sword" is a very good read. I highly recommend it.

38 posted on 06/04/2007 8:49:32 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: johnny7
Yeah... in the bag. /s

That's not what he said. What is true is that the US Navy wasn't quite the underdog coming into the battle that's always been portrayed.

And that doesn't demean the men who fought the battle and won a great victory in any way.

39 posted on 06/04/2007 8:56:55 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: GATOR NAVY
What is true is that the US Navy wasn't quite the underdog coming into the battle that's always been portrayed.

How so?

40 posted on 06/05/2007 2:40:36 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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