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USA : Post-NAFTA job loss in textiles & apparel exceeds 1mn
American Manufacturing Trade Action Coalition ^ | June 2, 2007 | American Manufacturing Trade Action Coalition press release

Posted on 06/02/2007 6:11:50 AM PDT by USconvoy.com

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To: USconvoy.com
The buggy whip industry is also in terrible shape.
21 posted on 06/02/2007 6:59:56 AM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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To: USconvoy.com

Yet today’s paper headlines, “Job growth boosts economy.” Of course the increase in jobs is in the “services” industry — the economy is good apparently because so many illegals are finding jobs “Americans won’t do.” Nevertheless, to our superiors this is reassuring enough for the Dow Jones to rise 40 points. That our economy is based on illegals performing “service” jobs at the expense of real bread and butter jobs is alarming.


22 posted on 06/02/2007 7:00:18 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: 1rudeboy
There’s always a dark cloud to the silver lining, if that’s the way you choose to look at it . .

What are you talking about?
23 posted on 06/02/2007 7:00:53 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: verity
The buggy whip industry is also in terrible shape

And the "free traders" worn out and fallacious talking points are also in terrible shape.
24 posted on 06/02/2007 7:02:14 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: jimfree
A radio personality Jerry Doyle says that there are currently 2m job openings in Houston with 60,000 not requiring a hs diploma, but 5,000 Katrina heads of housholds have not found work.

I blame unions for textile jobs declining, not NAFTA. Last I heard Bush was in NC retraining these workers to be nurses.

25 posted on 06/02/2007 7:03:41 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: verity
The buggy whip industry is also in terrible shape.

I am not sure how apt of a comparison that is since the "buggy whip" is not much in use these days, but there is more clothing, carpet, and other textile materials in use than ever before.

In contrast, Japan, also a high wage country, is still maintaining a textile industry (although it too has seen some erosion, it's not of the massive percentages that our textile industries have seen.)

26 posted on 06/02/2007 7:05:02 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: USconvoy.com

Yup. If NAFTA had not been approved, all those jobs would still be there 13 years later.

China, Vietnam, Indonesia and Malaysia (none of which are included in NAFTA) would have had no impact on textile manufacturing in USA. Businesses are presently leaving Mexico for these countries, as labor costs too much in Mexico.

For this article to make any sense at all, over 1M (due to lower productivity) jobs in the textile industry would have had to be created in Mexico. I seriously doubt that is the case.


27 posted on 06/02/2007 7:07:55 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: USconvoy.com

Good news is those businesses are no longer hiring Illegals.
Now if the anti-business conservatives can get rid of the rest of those labor intensive businesses...

Pray for W and Our Troops


28 posted on 06/02/2007 7:08:33 AM PDT by bray (The co-clintons freed more terrorists then they killed)
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To: USconvoy.com
No fancy number or statistics. I just know there’s a lot of shuttered textile manufacturing facilities here in Aiken County, SC.
29 posted on 06/02/2007 7:10:28 AM PDT by upchuck (If you don't have borders, you won't have a nation ~ Mark Steyn)
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To: OpusatFR

The “service industry” is extremely diverse. It’s not all lawn care and burger flipping.

I’m in a service industry and I do quite well, thank you.


30 posted on 06/02/2007 7:11:17 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: USconvoy.com

Yep....... the sailing boat industry of the past like the Mayflower builders are extinct for their original purposes, Studebaker/Conastoga wagons are mostly for show only, buggy whips aren’t in great demand either,... etc. etc. etc.....

The world changes and evolves, becomes closer together with new inventions/modes of tranportation, communication, production, etc. thus we will never be a static country or world, like it or not. For if we are then standing still is essentially falling behind. jmo....


31 posted on 06/02/2007 7:11:32 AM PDT by deport ( Cue Spooky Music...)
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To: OpusatFR
Here's an interesting link to wages paid by various industries.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t16.htm

Most "service industries" do not pay dramatically less than most factory jobs. In particular please note the very low wages paid by "textile" and "apparel" factories, the exact jobs this article decries the loss of. They are esssentially identical to the wages paid by the dreaded "leisure" service industry, the lowest in the service category.

32 posted on 06/02/2007 7:17:08 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: OpusatFR

Average hourly wage in manufacturing: $17.17.

Average hourly wage in service industries: $16.92.

That’s $10 a week, not exactly the end of the world.

Manufacturing comes out a good deal better on weekly wages, but that is largely because so many service workers do so part time.


33 posted on 06/02/2007 7:20:39 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: USconvoy.com
A more interesting question is how many textile jobs has Mexico lost.

The XLS file is real easy to follow for recent percent change in textile imports. The txt file is not.

For those not able to figure it out textile imports from Mexico have dropped by 20.6 percent since 2005. Note that neither China nor India are are covered by NAFTA.

Our unemployment rate, btw, is 4.5 percent -- which is quite good.

Note that jobs are up by 157,000 and so is productivity.

Granted wage increases may not be keeping pace with inflation but that has more to do with stupid energy policy (not drilling for oil, using corn for car fuel) and ironically refusing to embrace NAFTA (restricting sugar imports)

34 posted on 06/02/2007 7:23:03 AM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: jimfree
I don't know, some numbers on job pickups in Mexico perhaps? Some numbers on job stability or job growth in the years preceding NAFTA implementation would be helpful.

I agree!

It would certainly be more useful than an implicit accusation of fallacious reasoning.

35 posted on 06/02/2007 7:29:12 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Sherman Logan
>I’m in a service industry and I do quite well, thank you

And it builds muscles,
carrying the toys Yuppies
play with all day long...

36 posted on 06/02/2007 7:30:48 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: KevinDavis
So we have to high priced items so some union bum can keep his or her job???

Do you really think this is about protecting union jobs?

37 posted on 06/02/2007 7:31:48 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: 1rudeboy
You can’t prove a logical fallacy.

Are you saying you can't prove a logical fallacy as in "you can't prove a negative," or are you saying you can't prove something *is* a logical fallacy?

38 posted on 06/02/2007 7:35:08 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: All

Does anyone wish to comment on post 32 and 33?

What exactly is your rationale for the belief that replacing textile and apparel manufacturing jobs with service jobs is a disaster?


39 posted on 06/02/2007 7:38:20 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: upchuck
No fancy number or statistics. I just know there’s a lot of shuttered textile manufacturing facilities here in Aiken County, SC.

And what does it say when tomato farmers in Sarasota Florida have to plow under their crop because they can't compete with Mexican tomatos?

40 posted on 06/02/2007 7:39:12 AM PDT by papertyger
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