Christian-Jewish relations under fire

IsraelToday.co.il ^ | 31 May, 2003 | Ryan Jones

[Salem]

Although "missionary" organizations mentioned in the article annoying the councilwomen do exist, the vast majority of Evangelical Christians who support the Nation of Israel do so with honorable motives—including the people of the International Christian Embassy of Jerusalem.

As Dr. James M. Hutchens of The Jerusalem Connection states: Our vision: To show mercy because of mercy received (Romans 11:31).

Nonetheless, there will be divisions between Christianity and Judaism. Still, if we purport to model the heart of the Lord, His heart is clearly for Israel, Jerusalem, and the Jewish people. As His servants, we should serve His people and purposes, not expecting anything in return.

"...Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. [Luke 17:9-10]

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" ... It's time we recognized the nature of the conflict. It's total war and we are all involved. Nobody on our side is exempted because of age, gender, or handicap. The Islamofacists have stolen childhood from the world."—FReeper Retief
"Palestine is the wrong name for their State. It should be called Anarchy."—FReeper sgtbono2002
"Then let's wait and see what the Arabs do after they take Gaza. There's nothing like Arab reality to break up a Jewish fantasy."—FReeper Noachian
A student told his professor he was going to "Palestine" to "fight for freedom, peace and justice,"—Orwellian leftist code words that mean "murder Jews."

[rmlew]

idiots.
They should be converting the heathens in Tel Aviv, instead of pissing off allies.

[tessalu]

These people are treating Jewish people as Islam treats their people, a people with no mind of their own. They act as if they have no faith in their own beliefs.

[muawiyah]

This old gal seems to reserve her anger for Protestants and not Catholics.

Could be she's just pretending to be Jewish.

[Paperdoll]

Conversion is not why steadfast Christians support Israel. God will bless those who do support Israel. He will not bless those who do not support Israel. It is as simple as that.

[justiceseeker93]

What is the background of this Mina Fenton broad and what is her political affiliation? Does she have any ties to the American left?

[Paperdoll]

Fenton sounds more like a secular Humanist than Jewish to me.

[Pelayo]

Nonetheless, there will be divisions between Christianity and Judaism. Still, if we purport to model the heart of the Lord, His heart is clearly for Israel, Jerusalem, and the Jewish people. As His servants, we should serve His people and purposes, not expecting anything in return.

Yeah but not expecting anything in return actually makes it look more suspicious. All of what you just said could be construed as an effort to subvert the walls which separate Christians from Jews, especially since you framed it in Christian terms.

I mean, you have to admit, as a Christian, you would like to see the Jews converted. Actually if Israel's Christian allies did have obvious expectations of getting something in return, like something material or political, there would be less suspicion. In this sense you're sort a caught in a catch 22; the nicer you are as Christians the more you'll be accused of trying to convert.

[CAWats]

Christians must never abandon Israel - even if Israel abandons Christians.

[utherdoul]

Christians (at least protestants) abandoned Isreal some time ago. Actually that was one of the reasons (among many others) that I left my christian church. Jews already know the way, they don’t need people trying to lead them astray.

[Neophyte]

I wonder, to what extend this Rabbinical court has real power over the lives and actions of Israelis?

People I know in Israel - observant believers though not Orthodox - would shrug away the Jewish Mullahs' ban if they thought that Jewish-Christian co-operation and reconciliation is good and necessary.

[CAWats]

God will bless those who do support Israel. He will not bless curse those who do not support Israel. It is as simple as that.

[WesternCulture]

There is no basic conflict between the Christians and the Jews.

There is not even a conflict between traditional Islam and Christianity.

The conflict that, above all, threatens civilization of today is that one between islamofascism and civilization.

Civilzation will crush islamofascism.

Dixi.

[HiTech RedNeck]

When they refuse all charity from Christians and Christian countries, is when they will begin to make sense.

[Paperdoll]

>God will bless those who do support Israel. He will curse those who do not support Israel. It is as simple as that<

Thanks, you are right. I’m having a bit of a short term memory problem occasionally. :o)

[Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek]

“What is the background of this Mina Fenton broad and what is her political affiliation? Does she have any ties to the American left?”

“Fenton sounds more like a secular Humanist than Jewish to me.”

She is a member of one of the highly conservative Orthodox parties, as indicated in the following article:

‘Modesty parade’ protests gay parade
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3263625,00.html

Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak expects thousands from around world to attend Modesty Parade, scheduled for 2 days before WorldPride parade in Jerusalem this summer, to negate ‘abomination and defilement’ of pride march and ‘demonstrate the extraordinariness of the way of the Torah’

Neta Sela
Published: 06.16.06, 09:10 / Israel News

Battle against holding the annual gay WorldPride parade in Jerusalem this summer heats up: Repentance Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak announced that he plans to hold a “modesty parade” in response to the gay pride parade scheduled to march through Jerusalem August 11. The event is planned to precede the WorldPride parade by a few days, and expects an attendance of over 20,000 people.

The event is being planned by the “Shofar” group and is being publicized, among other places, on their website. Shofar, founded by Rav
Yitzhak, is devoted to promoting the “return to religion” (hazara be’tshuva) amongst secular Jews. According to the site, “Two days before the date on which the vile souls are planning their World ‘March of Abomination,’ thousands of Jews whose souls have been saved and have chosen God’s path will hold a ‘Modesty march’ of incredible proportions. Its very occurrence will denunciate the abomination and defilement, will vomit out its participants from among us and will set fire to their infection. Thousands of Jews from Israel and the world, to whom the purity and sanctity of Jerusalem is important, will demonstrate the extraordinariness of the way of the Torah chosen by thousands.”

The Modesty Parade will also mark 20 years of Shofar’s activities. “It’s time to show the whole world that in the last 20 years we have changed the face of Judaism unrecognizably and those loyal to God and his Torah have become the leaders, against the disseminators of darkness. The fact that the Torah of Israel commands us to act modestly and self-deprecatingly has given this raucous and rebellious minority an opportunity to act out their pride and boastfulness all the way to Jerusalem, the holy city, in order to soil it.”

Rabbi Yitzhak’s website promises that the demonstration will include “pyrotechnics shows with light defeating darkness as never seen before.”

Petition against parade

Meanwhile, objectors to the gay pride parade are threatening to file a petition to the High Court of Justice against it. During a city council meeting this week, National Religious Party Councilwoman Mina Fenton introduced a petition calling for the march to be cancelled. Twenty-three out of the 31 council members signed the petition.

“I am sure that the first 100,000 signatures will prove to the High Court the position of the majority, and the risks and humiliation of letting the parade happen,” Fenton said.

“Holding the gay pride parade, especially in Jerusalem, severely harms the city’s unique Jewish character and constitutes an act of defiance, purposeful disrespect and a challenge to everything holy in the city of Jerusalem in the eyes of the whole world. This will be wept about for generations and we must prevent it now,” the petition read.

A center of tolerance, pluralism and humanity

A member of the city council from the Meretz party, Saar Natanel, said in response to Fenton’s initiative: “The delusional attempts by Mina Fenton and the rest of the Orthodox-Religious coalition members in Jerusalem won’t succeed. Gays and lesbians have a place in Jerusalem too. It is the community’s right to hold the march. This right is legitimate, legal and democratic. The pride parade is important to Jerusalem to show that Israel’s capital has other voices as well that support democracy, pluralism and equality. Jerusalem cannot be represented by religious extremists alone.”

Noa Satat, Chairman of the Jerusalem House for Pride and Tolerance, a gay and lesbian foundation in the capital, explained the importance of holding the pride parade in the city. “The World pride event will take place in Jerusalem because we believe Jerusalem should be a center of tolerance, pluralism and humanity. Unfortunately, there are those who prefer Jerusalem to be fanatical, dark, pursuing strife and hatred. Those same people ignore the Torah’s greatest rule: Love thy brother as thyself.”

“The many participants who will take place in the pride activities – from Israel and the world – will best answer this demonstration of darkness that is shaming Judaism and Jerusalem. We invite Mr.Yitzhak and his disciples to take part in the inter-religious gatherings in the framework of World pride events. Religious figures from gay, Jewish, Christian and Muslim communities will partake in the assembly and will represent a religious voice that respects all mankind created in the image of the lord, and committed to the traditional Jewish values of tolerance and love of humanity,” Satat said.

[rwt60]

“Fenton sounds more like a secular Humanist than Jewish to me.”

Those two descriptions are not necessarily mutually exclusive. It doesn’t say what kind of Jew she is. I’d guess she is Reform.

[HiTech RedNeck]

No the text relationship is bless-bless curse-curse. Nothing is said about indifference.

[CAWats]

Why is this country so prosperous its almost rediculous?

Jehovah-jira our Provider.