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To: onedoug
Unfortunately, George Bush will not fight this war to win it.

I don't think it's that simple, because the definition of "win" isn't that simple here.

We "won" the war years ago, the one we started, the one to remove Saddam and the threat of WMD.

But now the "war" we fight is to leave a stable, democratic, pro-american Iraq. If we pull out, it will collapse into a theocracy that hates us. If we kill too many people, we could end up with an autocratic dictatorship that hates us, or a democracy that hates us.

So part of the equation HAS to be how to fight the enemy without making the rest of the country mad enough to hate us. That's not an easy task, because it's hard to know how people will react. It could be that we could kill thousands more and the average Iraqi would be HAPPY, or it could be that if we kill just a few more of the "wrong" people the average Iraqi will turn against us.

This makes it a difficult war, and the opponents are right about that part -- where they are wrong is to think that pulling out makes it all better by removing us from the equation. In fact, a pullout seals our fate, and that fate would be a bad one.

If Iraq was our enemy, we would have won this war long ago. We had the power to destroy the country and take it over as a puppet state. But that's not what we wanted, and now we are stuck between a military battle and a political one.

17 posted on 05/30/2007 9:04:40 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Excellent post.


19 posted on 05/30/2007 9:07:23 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Paperdoll

Very well said!


22 posted on 05/30/2007 9:22:41 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
A hydra has many heads. All of them have to cut off to kill it. And diligence is
necessary to see that it doesn't grow more...regardless what "the world" thinks.
26 posted on 05/30/2007 10:48:36 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: CharlesWayneCT
But now the "war" we fight is to leave a stable, democratic, pro-american Iraq. If we pull out, it will collapse into a theocracy that hates us. If we kill too many people, we could end up with an autocratic dictatorship that hates us, or a democracy that hates us.

How did the Japanese feel about us after the war? I think we killed a few of their people, and somehow they don't hate us now.

28 posted on 05/30/2007 11:26:26 AM PDT by Defiant (A nation of frontiersmen needs a frontier, or it turns into.....Europe.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
That sounds about right. The fact is this “war” has been a victim of circumstance. The amount of negative pressure from the Rats is having a negative effect at home, the media helps none either. On the other side, we cannot go all out in this fight. We have power, but we have to use it wisely. It is like something super man said in a Episode of “The Justice league”. I will quote it now, “ I am always having to control myself, I can never use all my strength, or get mad or even excited. Because this world is like cardboard to me, I have to be careful not to break my glass. Not to go through a wall. I have to hold it all in.” The only reason I wrote that is to illustrate the kind of power a country like us has. We must help the people or nation that need it, but we must also defend ourselves. That is the real issue. This country is the Superman of this world, we have more power than 99% of the world. So we must exorcise restraint. Basically meaning we cannot use our full power to fight these "enemys" if you can call them that. Also, this fight has become too political for it to ever work! Politics help run our country, not run our fights or wars! I feel that at the root of all this is the fact that our enemy is not a man, or an army, but a mob, a gang, a ragtag group with some training and a hole lot of guns. We, on the other hand, have a true military, with men and women, highly trained and disciplined.

In the long run, we may never “Beat” the terrorists unless we once use our full power. But their is that Superman issue. Our military is powerful, but power is nothing, without leadership and the ability to be used. Something the UN has effectively done, we cannot use our full power because of laws that were made their. Correct me if I am wrong, please.

But I just do not feel that Bush has ever gotten a fair chance to protect us. The Congress and Senate have too much influence.

32 posted on 05/30/2007 12:59:34 PM PDT by AhOmEsChOoLeDmInD
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