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To: ZULU

‘When you compare attitudes, we loose. ‘
Unfortunately, there are many leftists in this country that don’t think American Society is worth saving. The Islamofacists are their ‘friends’ merely by being the ‘enemy of my enemy’. Evidence by the many statements that our ‘foreign policies’ create terrorists. When in fact the ideology existed centuries before the United States was created.
2003-’Indeed, the anti-Bush campaign threatens to undermine our war effort, give encouragement to our enemies, and cost American lives during the long year of campaigning that lies ahead of us. Osama bin Laden’s military strategy is:

If you make a war cost enough, Americans will give up and go home. Now, bin Laden isn’t actually all that bright; his campaign to make us go home is in fact what brought us into Afghanistan and Iraq. But he’s still telling his followers: Keep killing Americans and eventually, antigovernment factions within the United States will choose to give up the struggle.’ - Orson Scott Card
‘Know thyself’ Rule #1 (Bush’s number one ‘mistake’ was to believe in American’s would unite long enough for Islamofacists to ‘get the message’: Don’t F*ck with US!!


14 posted on 05/30/2007 8:52:21 AM PDT by griswold3
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To: griswold3

This is just more demagogic opportunism of the doom and gloom variety. The GWOT represents cooperation of nations on things like terrorist watch lists, cargo security, tracking and denial of funding to terrorists as well as military operations in the Phillipines, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon. India, Indonesia, and Malaysia are also involved. So is NATO and the UN. Edwards can be excused for being out of the loop[. He’s been building his mansion in peace bought by the courageous fight of many round the world. It is no accident that America has not been attacked again, and there have been no devestating airline terrorist incidents since 911. Unfortunately, if people would honestly reckon the improvements in tracking those going and coming, they might not be as adamant against government reform plans of illegal immigration.


20 posted on 05/30/2007 9:09:10 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: griswold3

Bush made a number of mistakes.

Invading Afghanistan - good

Invading Iraq - good

Removing Saddam - good

Ignoring the Ayatollahs and Syrian Baathists - BAD

Wasting American military strength, time, lives and dollars in a social experiment - BAD

We should have cleaned out Saddam, cleaned out the Ayatollahs, cleaned out the Syrian Baathists, and PULLED OUT. Example made and taken note of by Islamic nuts. We could have then let the U.N. and the Euroweenies worry about picking up the pieces.

Alternatively, we could have set up an independent Kurdistan in the north which would have been more than capable of taking care of itself, turned over Sunni territory AND Sunni oil wells to Jordan and let the Jordans take care of their own (their “techniques” are very very effective - far more than ours and they would have been more than happy to have some oil), and turned over the Shiite areas to an Ayatollah purged Iran.

Bush was probably listening to the Brits who created this mess by “constructing” Iraq, as the “constructed” many of thier former colonies, or to his globalist idiot father, in trying to create a social democracy in a territory which never knew democracy in its entire history and is more of a geographic expression and collection of independent tribes than a nation state.

Unfortunately you have to work with the material you have, not the material you woul like to have and Americans, as you so lucidly point out, are not Romans - they haven’t the stomach for a long, drawn out bloodletting. Unlike Romans or Mongols or even Arabs, they don’t enjoy killing (most of them anyway - some of us are exceptions). Osama isn’t the brightest bulb in the chandelier but even HE figured that out.


27 posted on 05/30/2007 11:07:03 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: griswold3; onedoug; WOSG
You all have excellent comments. We don’t know ourselves that well. At least idealists like Bush did not. Frankly, I had no idea that Iraq would be that hard. After all, Afghanistan was surprisingly easy, and most of the Iraqi’s wanted Saddam gone, but we underestimated the influence of Syria, Iran and the strength of the Sunni insurgency that Saddam had the foresight to set up prior to our invasion. The far left doesn't care for a USA anyway, they want a world without borders (Remember Imagine, the song by John Lennon). Even liberals that believe in America have a vision for a socialist, state run country with abortion on demand, and no Christian influence. They fear Christians more than Muslim fanatics.
33 posted on 05/30/2007 1:30:59 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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