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Social conservatives bite bullet, back Rudy [his backers pray]
Politico ^ | May 28, 2007 | David Paul Kuhn

Posted on 05/29/2007 6:16:58 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

Rudy Giuliani, whose positions on abortion and homosexuality mark him as the most socially liberal Republican presidential candidate in more than a generation, is so far winning the contest for the support of social conservatives, according to a new analysis of recent polls.

Widespread perceptions that Giuliani is the most electable Republican in this year's field are driving his support among social conservatives, according to the analysis by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

If the trend holds, this apparent willingness to support a candidate who fails what were once regarded as litmus-test issues would mark a landmark shift in the political behavior of a constituency that has been a pillar of the modern GOP. Already the shift is spurring sharp debate among prominent Christian conservative leaders, some of whom warn that Giuliani backers are abandoning core principles.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; christianvote; elections; giuliani; rudy; second
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To: stephenjohnbanker

You thought Reagan was conservative?

*Laughing*


61 posted on 05/29/2007 6:59:22 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: MamaB
Does this give you an idea?

Depends on who you believe.

As for me, I'm not afraid to say it plainly so there's no question as to who I support.

Duncan Hunter for President!!!

62 posted on 05/29/2007 6:59:28 PM PDT by airborne (Duncan Hunter is the only real choice for honest to goodness conservatives!)
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To: presently no screen name

Not at all. I have never voted third party in a national election. But if Rudy is nominated, all bets will be off.

He represents the dark face of the Culture of Death. Earlier I hoped that he might change, but he has made it very clear that he has not.

Of course Hillary would be dreadful. Worse than her husband. But the alternative simply is unacceptable. Those who still support Rudy for the nomination don’t get it.


63 posted on 05/29/2007 6:59:39 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: bnelson44

Here’s another one.


64 posted on 05/29/2007 7:01:19 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Rudy, the draft dodging, gun grabbing, abortionist/gay rights/illegal alien activist will never be president of the US.
65 posted on 05/29/2007 7:01:54 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: jonathanmo
So when Hillary appoints Ruth Bader Ginberg’s three socialist sisters during the next 8 years, how does that help your cause?

Rudy would also appoint Ruth Bader Ginsberg's sisters to the court.

There is no acceptable solution except not to nominate Rudy. Those who push for his nomination need to be warned beforehand what the dire results would be. It is foolish to pretend otherwise.

66 posted on 05/29/2007 7:02:44 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Halgr

The basic premise of this article is completely flawed. Giuliani “leads” the GOP pack with no more than 25%-30% support in most polls, so there is no evidence to support the notion that anyone to the right of the leftist wing of the Republican Party is supporting the guy.


67 posted on 05/29/2007 7:04:20 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: af_vet_1981

LOL! Good answer.


68 posted on 05/29/2007 7:04:27 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Jim Robinson

I wonder where that tagline following the title came from?


69 posted on 05/29/2007 7:05:14 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: jonathanmo
P.S. There is at least some hope that if Republicans are stupid enough to nominate Rudy, which I strongly doubt, then hillary will screw up badly enough in the White House to give us a Republican congress in 2010, and a conservative Republican president in 2012. If Rudy were elected, which will never happen, the Republican party would be defunct. Conservatives would have no one to vote for, no one to rally behind.

Probably a conservative party would come together to take the place of the defunct Republicans, but it would take a long time. Better to do it the easy way, and nominate a decent candidate.

70 posted on 05/29/2007 7:06:17 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Evolution? The tagline stork maybe?


71 posted on 05/29/2007 7:09:11 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

BULLFEATHERS!


72 posted on 05/29/2007 7:10:19 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: MamaB

Hold your horses, Mama. My bad for painting with too broad a brush, so that you have taken offense.

I imagine you are talking about Rudy Giuliani when you wrote your response. I’m not defending Giuliani at all, nor advocating his ascension to the White House. Nor even hinting that i wouild like to see it. Personally, I’m still holding out for Gingrich.

What I am talking about is someone who is fundamentally in accord with the following prinicples:

a. that individuals have rights and that it is the job of governmet to protect them; not expand upon them according to to the whims of the elected, not to warp them out of shape to mollify a small but vocal minority, not fold-spindle-or-mutilate them, and certainly not to selectively enforce the laws in the name of political expediency or to buy the favor of selected groups and voting blocs.

b. that every right has a corresponding responsibilty, whether that right is afforded under the Constitution to the government or to the citizens.

c. that the Constitution means what it says, and that should the day come when some part of the Constitution requires revisiting (as will almost certainy happen from time to time) that the established procudure for amendment be followed. This means that manipulating the courts or making an effort at engineering the electoral process should be verboten, if those methods run roughshod over said Constitution.

d. that there is a separation of church and state for a reason, and never the twain shall meet.

e. that the purpose of an elected representative and an elected government is to see to the needs of the citizens and NOT to the needs of the CEO, the Industry, the Lobbyist or the Media Mogul. The entity does not take precedence over the citizenry, no matter how large the check is.

f. that the next time we elect a president, the prime motivating factor should not be “this guy called Jesus his favorite political philosopher” or “this guy is an idiot”, it should be “this individual is the most qualified for the job”. Perhaps if ‘real’ conservatives like GWB and John McCain had followed ‘conservative’ principles and NOT passed Campaign Finance Reform (three lies for the price of one) things might be otherwise.

Now, having laid out my core beliefs; I have an R after my name. Would you support me? Or is that not ‘conservative’ or ‘republican’ enough for you?


73 posted on 05/29/2007 7:12:28 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Clintonfatigued

This is just part and parcel of the media’s attempts to play with our minds by letting us know who THEY think would be a great (liberal) candidate for Republicans.

Remember 2000, when Katie Couric gushed over the Today Show about the prospect of Colin Powell being the Repulican nominee?

Look how they pumped up John McCain into believing that he was actually liked by these snakes (he still hasn’t figured it out).

Now enter Rudy.


74 posted on 05/29/2007 7:15:22 PM PDT by Grateful One
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To: Wombat101
You need to read some books by William W. Johnstone. He wrote the famous Out of the Ashes series of books about life after a WW111. He was a very conservative fiction writer. His Rig Warrior series of 3 books is very good too. A new one about the take over of the Alamo by illegal immigrants is coming out this summer but I have forgotten the month. I started reading his Smoke Jensen westerns many years ago and then I found the Ashes series. Find some and let me know how you like them. Try to find the first in the different series. One of the Rig Warrior books was about terrorists in this country. I think it was written about 1988.
75 posted on 05/29/2007 7:18:53 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: Wombat101

OK, enlighten me.


76 posted on 05/29/2007 7:22:04 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Clintonfatigued

If Republicans nominate Rudy, we will not see a genuine conservative nominated again for decades.


77 posted on 05/29/2007 7:26:35 PM PDT by Mr. Brightside (Rudy Giuliani is just another "Empty Dress Republican")
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To: MamaB

I don’t need to read anything, MamaB (although I will check your recommendations out for recreational purposes). I have a Masters in Western Civiliation and know far more about politics, democracy, and the 3,500 year-old traditions and constructions that went into it’s making and shake my head at what they have become.

I truly don’t wish to argue with you, but I simply don’t believe that there are conservatives of the stripe that many portay themselves to be, or for whom many fervently pray for on these threads. I guess what I object to most about some species of ‘conservatism’ is that there is a particularly nasty variety which insists, to everyone’s detriment, that ‘half a loaf is the same as no bread’.

It is this brand of conservatism that ticks me off more than anything else, even though I do realize that many other conservatives are well-meaning folks.


78 posted on 05/29/2007 7:26:49 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Cicero
But the alternative simply is unacceptable. Those who still support Rudy for the nomination don’t get it.

I love my country way too much to deliberately allow her in by voting 3rd party. Country over political party anyday. And that's what 3rd party voters and stay at homers don't get.

As far as abortion and homosexuality, that's the churches job. We had homosexual marriages during Bush's reign - but, finally, some Christian leaders have taken their gripe to DC. Unfortuntely, it's hard to play catch up when they have been silent so long. But bless those who are doing it now, they have made an impact already.

I don't want my government to be my church. Since some expect that from a prez - they are getting 'religious' do's and don'ts from the gov't - cannot say the name of Jesus, take down the 10 Commandments, abortion, marriage definition. While the church was silent for far too long, the government stepped in to 'regulate' religious issues and all too happy to oblige.
79 posted on 05/29/2007 7:29:17 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: stephenjohnbanker

In order to ‘enlighten’ you, you would have to accept some awful truths that might cause your head to explode, or at least might make you think twice about what conservatism is.

Before I go into it, please make sure you truly want an education, and not merely an opportunity to beat your chest and wave your ‘conservative’ credentials around.

Then I’ll be more than happy to ‘enlighten’ you.


80 posted on 05/29/2007 7:29:43 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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