[Non-Sequitur]

If the answer is yes than my argument stands...The South was itching for a fight, and Lincoln gave it to them. If the answer is no than Lincoln was the stupidest man to ever occupy the White House for he could not properly discern the signs of the time.

So to sum it all up, you base this on nothing but your opinion. You have no quote from Lincoln indicating he believed his actions would indeed start a war. No quote indicating he wanted to start a war at Charleston or anywhere else. No quote indicating he wanted war at all. Just your opinion. Correct?

[carton253]

So, again, you are not going to answer my question. Now, the argument has shifted to my lack of sources. That is typical of you and not unexpected. Because you are predictable. LOL!

[lentulusgracchus]

You have no quote from Lincoln indicating he believed his actions would indeed start a war. No quote indicating he wanted to start a war at Charleston or anywhere else. No quote indicating he wanted war at all. Just your opinion.

False dilemma, BA.

Either he pops a Lincoln quote -- and Lincoln a) was the most reticent man alive at the time, but you knew that, and b) he wasn't stupid enough to say out loud what history could hang him for later -- or else carton has only his opinion unsupported.

You are a piece of work.