Here on freerepublic, where abortion is the only real issue facing America and the world, many have decided that any choice in that matter is anathema to them. And, consequently, have decided that Rudy must be defeated, even though that might give a victory to Hillary, a Stalinist who will sweep away our constitutional rights in a heartbeat and sell out our country to third world status in record time. Do those freerepublic conservatives really have their thinking caps on?
Yes. Do you?
There is plenty of time to select a candidate that is more attuned to the principles of the party. Like it or not, the social conservative hold a pretty effective veto power.
The only "constitutional right" you and your Rudybot allies actually seem to care about is the "right" to butcher your unwanted offspring. Hillary will take care of that for you. If you ask her real nice, maybe she'll even pay for you to do it, as your boy Rudy promises he will.
First, its not only about abortion. It is about our 2A rights and no special rights for queers as well. It is about many things.
Yes, we not only have our thinking caps on, as you say, but we also have our core guiding principles intact. Winning an election at whatever the cost is not a conservative principle.
I'm curious as to how many and which of your core conservative beliefs you have had to compromise in order to support Guiliani.
Rudy's political views are nearly identical to Hillary's. Of all the GOP candidates, the only one who CAN'T BEAT HILLARY IS RUDY -- even he knows this as evidenced by his refusal to run against her in 2000 and 2006.
Do those freerepublic conservatives really have their thinking caps on?
This is a conservative forum, Rudy is a bleeding heart liberal. We support conservatives.
Yes.
Yeah, abortion... and his support for taxpayer funded abortion (socialism), support and activism for the murdering socialists at NARAL and Planned Parenthood, support and activism for the gay agenda, his support for hate crimes, thought crimes, attacks on first amendment, gun control, sanctuary cities, illegal aliens, welfare for illegal aliens, taking of private property for private developers, asset forfeiture, abuse of power, disregard for due process, disregard for the rule of law, contempt for the constitution, contempt for individual rights, etc.
Yes Jim, however the "ect." is an even more concerning issue.
He really has grayed out the dogma of "Republicans" and of course it isn't what is best for conservatism that has prompted his directive as much as person priority is that has led him to do so.
But lest we forget, he is dead set on stifling those who we are at war with in the WOT.
It's (sadly enough) laughable.
I do. And I think Rudy will NOT be the Republican nominee.
IMHO, all of this is just window dressing. Fluff and nonsense. A mild diversion.
You full of it troll. Abortion is ONE item is a looooong list of anti conservative principles that we "Here on freerepublic", hold against that mutt. And dam straight we have our thinking caps on, it's you Rudy Trolls who DON'T.
As to sweeping away "our constitutional rights in a heartbeat", that is how Rooty 'Rules'. He holds the Constitution, Bill of Rights and the rule of law in utter contempt. FYI, NYC is till paying millions to people who Rooty trampled over like peasants.
[Jim, Rooty Troll cleanup needed in aisle seven.]
Here on freerepublic, where abortion an absurdly sycophantic fealty to Rudy is the only real issue facing America and the world, many have decided that any choice but Rudy in that matter is anathema to them. And, consequently, have decided that anyone but Rudy must be defeated, even though that might give a victory to Hillary, as though he were the only candidate in the race, eight months before the first primary.
Many of us who are nonreligious oppose Rudy not because of abortion, but because of his incompetance, his corrupt associations, and the fact that he was LOSING to Hillary in all polls before he conveniently dropped out of the senate race.
Unlike you, I will not presume to speak for anyone other than myself. However, the problem with Rudy is not limited to the abortion issue - it is just the most egregious manifestation of the problems with Rudy.
In addition to the abortion issue, there is his abysmmal record on 2nd amendment issues; his open support of gay rights and illegal immigrants; his history of poor judgment in choosing judges and key personnel (think Bernard Kerik); etc.
The only two arguments I hear in favor of Rudy are, 1)"He is the only one who can beat Hilary"; and,2)"He will be strong on the WOT."
In the first case, it is doubtful Rudy could win the general election, because while winning the primary he will have alienated at least 20-30% of his own party's base (social conservatives). The only way any Republican can win is if they hold on to their own base and pick up a lot of independents and conservative Dems.
In the second case, there are a number of people running on the Republican side (and a couple who may be running) who would be every bit as strong as Rudy on the WOT - he doesn't have a monopoly on that claim.
a Stalinist who will sweep away our constitutional rights in a heartbeat and sell out our country to third world status in record time.
If Rudy holds some of the same convictions; i.e. gun control, etc., how is he that different from Hillary? You claim to not have made a choice yet, but your entire position on this thread has been one to equate non-Rudy candidates as pre-destined losers and his opposition as election spoilers.
Regarding your idea that other candidates would be a recast Ross Perot, it could be argued that Rudy himself is in the running for that spot. Rudy and his supporters are the ones abandoning conservative principles and running full tilt to the left.
Have you seen Giuliani’s record on the Constitution? He could be the most pro-life candidate in the race, and I still wouldn’t vote for him. He has no foreign policy experience, and zero understanding or respect for Constitutional limits on government.