Vanity - My Abortion Debate from Tonight - Seven against One - Long

May 12, 2007 | Michael Katz

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

What is wrong with having a religious argument against abortion.

I am pro life because I know that God wants us to protect life, not kill it. It is morally wrong.

[TChad]

What is wrong with having a religious argument against abortion.

I am pro life because I know that God wants us to protect life, not kill it. It is morally wrong.

There is nothing wrong with having a religious argument against abortion, so long as you are arguing with people who share your religious beliefs. Bringing your religion into debates with those outside your religion is likely to end the dialog. You end up trying to prove that your religion is right, not that abortion is wrong.

[Bryan]

Excellent work, Mike. But seven against one isn't a fair contest. Since you had the truth on your side, you should have allowed them to bring in reinforcements.

Don't forget: at the moment of conception and for every moment afterward, the unborn child has his own unique set of chromosomes. They're different from his father's and they're different from his mother's. There are 23 pairs of them. This combination of facts defines the unborn child as an individual human life, separate from his mother's.

He is not a "lump of tissue" -- or, even if he could be defined that way by some stretch of the imagination, he's not a part of his mother's body.

[garylmoore]

I wonder how someone can call themself a Christian and believe in killing babies? Not only that but their own Bible says that children are a gift from God and who are they to refuse a gift from God Himself?

[KDD]

Well, I came back with the fact that we do not really know when life begins.

Here was your fatal mistake. We do know. Just study embryology. Life begins at conception by definition.

Absolutely right...from the scientific standpoint.

And from the Christian standpoint?

'Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I haw appointed you a prophet to the nations." (Jeremiah 1:5)

[Tenniel2]

Well done, Mike -- well-reasoned arguments, well-written report. Hope there's Law Review in your very near future.

And bravos for keeping your cool. If anyone asked me why I'm pro-life, I'd be hard pressed not to fire back "Why are you pro-death?"

It's telling that the pro-abortion side finds it necessary to resort to euphemisms. Does anyone have the numbers on how many "pro-choicers" actually "choose" adoption?

[goodnesswins]

Hmmmm....your statement “It is not reproductive” made me think.....It’s not PRODUCTIVE! It’s ANTI productive.

[Mike10542]

Nothing is wrong with having a religious argument for abortion. I was just pointing out that you can be an athiest and be against abortion.

[Scotswife]

I’ve heard people say “religion” shouldn’t enter into political debate.

I usually point them to these folks....

http://www.godlessprolifers.com

[Swordfished]

Just a argument style comment:

In my opinion, the ‘err on the side of life’ argument is just sugary-sounding rhetoric. It’s like saying ‘we could be wrong about the whole thing, but...’ If you believe abortion is wrong and murder, then make the strongest most bulletproof possible case against it.

I think the ‘err on the side of life’ is an argument to ‘convince’ moderates and fence-sitters (people who can’t follow actual logic to an end), who’ll continue to remain on the fence afterwards anyway.

[TASMANIANRED]

Good Job.. Good points.

Might want to bring up points re :1)cruel and unusual punishment. Cannot cause undue suffering to a convicted murder but you can cut the limbs off an infant..without anesthetic.

2) Death sentence with no crime and no trial.

[TASMANIANRED]

3) For the death penalty to be given a)capital crime defined by law b) competent counsel c) conviction by a jury of peers d) beyond a reasonable doubt.

To support abortion you agree that it is legal and legitimate to slaughter any innocent..the in the womb part is just logistical...

You might have to work on the language a bit.. Past the age of viability roughly 23 weeks the womb is technically a residence...The presence of the womb is no longer a medical necessity...

Their position is that certain residences are free kill zones..

[TChad]

I’ve heard people say “religion” shouldn’t enter into political debate. I usually point them to these folks....

http://www.godlessprolifers.com

Here's the first thing I noticed after clicking on "Abortion" at that website:

South Jersey Women's Center - Abortions

Board-certified gynecologist providing surgical and medical Abortions in Cherry Hill, NJ since 1978. No 24-hour waiting period or parental consent required in New Jersey.

Is that what you intended for Freepers to see? I don't get it.

[Scotswife]

thanks for calling me on that.

Here’s the link I meant to post....

http://www.godlessprolifers.org

[TChad]

That’s much better. Thanks.