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Ancient Star Nearly as Old as the Universe
www.space.com ^ | 05/10/2007 | Ker Than

Posted on 05/11/2007 8:09:45 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Right Wing Assault
http://www.livescience.com/blogs/author/kerthan

Looks kinda Alien, too.......

21 posted on 05/11/2007 8:30:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: RightWhale
...we’re probably generation four by now.

With the metals necessary for technological life.

Guillermo Gonzalez & Jay W Richards, The Privileged Planet: How Our Place In The Cosmos Is Designed For Discovery

It really is a beautiful universe.

22 posted on 05/11/2007 8:30:12 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Poser

It is kinda silly. If I have a kilogram of X and it’s half life is 14 billion years, then this mass was 2 kilograms then.......


23 posted on 05/11/2007 8:32:22 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: CeasarsGhost
from a coffee plantation that has produced rich coffee beans for about 3,000 years, or about 3,000 years after the earth was created by God.

I always get a good laugh out of those wacko creationists who think that the earth is only 5,000 years old. Boy, those ancient people like the Egyptians must have had a tough time fending off all those dinosaurs. LOL. And then there's the difference between Neanderthal, Cro-Magnan and modern man, but I wouldn't want to confuse the issue with facts, when fantasy stories like creationism work so well for some people. LOL.

24 posted on 05/11/2007 8:36:36 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: dead
"...but what do I know?"

You know the truth of the matter.


25 posted on 05/11/2007 8:38:26 AM PDT by sinclair (Pay more taxes! A "social services" recipient somewhere needs another bottle of Ripple.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
"I always get a good laugh out of those wacko creationists who think that the earth is only 5,000 years old."

Two thousand years ago scientists followed a star and it led to Jesus Christ, as all things do.
Wise men still seek Him.

26 posted on 05/11/2007 8:43:25 AM PDT by CeasarsGhost
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To: billbears
so, do 6000 year old earth people believe that the dinosaurs never really walked the earth.. but God randomly created their bones in the earth as a practical joke for later generations :)

/pratchett
27 posted on 05/11/2007 8:44:45 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders - don't re-elect them!)
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To: T'wit

No, Nancy Peloopsi


28 posted on 05/11/2007 8:53:15 AM PDT by wastedyears (I was opposed to Rudy in the mid 1990s when he took my fireworks away. I was but a little boy.)
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To: absolootezer0

I’d laugh but I actually know someone that believes that.


29 posted on 05/11/2007 8:55:33 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: T'wit

Well - it’s described as a “big, red, bloated star”, so that lends credence to your theory...


30 posted on 05/11/2007 8:57:48 AM PDT by jagusafr (The proof that we are rightly related to God is that we do our best whether we feel inspired or not")
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To: CeasarsGhost

Ditto...


31 posted on 05/11/2007 8:59:04 AM PDT by jagusafr (The proof that we are rightly related to God is that we do our best whether we feel inspired or not")
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To: Red Badger
One scientist proposed removing mass from our star to make it last longer.

But then there's the cycle of mass extinction every 65M years, so any thing beyond the concept may be moot.

And there's always the possibility of a Shoemaker-Levy 9, or an Apophis ruining some people's day.

I suppose we, er, the Earth can be swallowed by a black hole, or not survive a galactic collision.

And let's not forget a massive GRB from a "close" supernova...

32 posted on 05/11/2007 8:59:36 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: billbears

Word! Claiming the earth is only a few thousand years old denies reality. But more importantly, it attempts to bring God down to human level. God does NOT work on our timescale, He’s infinitely grander than that and His Work and Plans are way beyond our understanding. I wish that people would take note that often the greatest scientists (Newton, Einstein, Galileo) were quite devout. One can’t look at the grandeur of the Cosmos and not be moved spiritually. Well, Carl Sagan, maybe, but I think even he was; he just denied the feeling to himself.


33 posted on 05/11/2007 8:59:39 AM PDT by Clock King (Bring the noise!)
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To: billbears
Hate to break it to you but the earth is a couple billion years old. Understanding recognizing with the abilities God has given us the actual age of the earth in no way detracts from the knowledge that it was He who created it. I don't understand how He created it as it is beyond my ken, as well as yours. However I seriously doubt God would want us to forgo all common sense just to accept an actual number that can be found nowhere in the Bible.

Well said. Even if one accepts the 6,000 (?) age of the Earth as doctrine, that does not contradict the Earth being a couple billion years old. Here are two alternatives just off the top of my head:

(1) God's year (and day for that matter) is as long as he says it is. Nothing says that His time frame is the same as ours. In fact, an omnipotent God could exist in any time frame He wanted, associated with ours only to the degree and in the way He desires. This even has biblical support: Light (i.e., the Sun) wasn't created until the third day, so the first two days clearly were measured by something other than a day as seen by the Sun rising and setting.

(2) (My personal favorite) God created the world 6,000 years ago, but He created it old. Kind of like writing a backstory to a novel. Again, no problem at all for an omnipotent God.

The most likely reality is that the Earth was created several billion years ago. Those who transcribed the bible probably could not even come close to conceiving of a billion years, so the message was put in terms they could grasp.

34 posted on 05/11/2007 9:15:31 AM PDT by piytar
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To: Calvin Locke

Removing mass from the sun? That’s a new one on me. If mankind is around in millions of years I assume they’ll be able to adjust the orbit of the earth as the sun expands.


35 posted on 05/11/2007 9:17:22 AM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: LiveFree99
A Canadian scientist, iirc.

One of the podcasts I download is from the Hubble Site. Can't remember when, since I did d/l all the archives at the time, but I'm 99% sure that's where I heard it.

Moving the planet? Assuming it could be done, that's really going to mess up growing seasons, faking your age on ids and bios, what happens to "expires one year after date..."

I was thinking shrinking the Sun would require the planet shrinking it's orbit, too.

Expanding it would put it closer to the asteroid belt.

36 posted on 05/11/2007 9:29:02 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Andy from Beaverton

You and Obadiah need to work together to iron out the differences.

(Sorry for the late post...beautiful day here, so I played golf!)


37 posted on 05/13/2007 5:59:29 AM PDT by econjack
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To: Calvin Locke
One scientist proposed removing mass from our star to make it last longer.

If we can do that, we can move the planet to a more habitable orbit and simply adjust as the star adjusts.

Besides, there's a galaxy out there to be colonized.

38 posted on 05/18/2007 2:50:04 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: Calvin Locke
One scientist proposed removing mass from our star to make it last longer.

If we can do that, we can move the planet to a more habitable orbit and simply adjust as the star adjusts.

Besides, there's a galaxy out there to be colonized.

39 posted on 05/18/2007 2:50:04 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: CeasarsGhost
LOL, I love to read the vanity of scientists along with drinking my coffee, which I have calculated to have come from a coffee bean that was picked about 1.997 months ago, from a coffee plantation that has produced rich coffee beans for about 3,000 years, or about 3,000 years after the earth was created by God.

So then PROVE it. My God people like you give christians a bad name for being stupid.

40 posted on 05/18/2007 2:51:12 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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