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As Number of Police Raids Increase, So Do Questions
New York Times ^
| 5/16/1998
| Michael Cooper
Posted on 05/09/2007 12:00:34 PM PDT by dashing doofus
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To: dashing doofus
There should be repercussions for this kind of action against innocent civilians...
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posted on
05/09/2007 2:21:27 PM PDT
by
Dead Corpse
(What would a free man do?)
To: AxelPaulsenJr
I can tell you that I will vote for the Republican nominee, no matter who he or she is....... Well, OK, but remember that if you vote you can't complain... because you're saying that at least one of the candidates was 'good enough'.
42
posted on
05/09/2007 2:47:49 PM PDT
by
Grut
To: clearlight
“Might have something to do with not giving every potential armed criminal on the premises the chance to train their weapons on the front door!”
Tell us that again when they come for you.
To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
This sort of thing does not override the right of self-preservation. If someone breaks down your door you have a right to defend yourself by deadly force. Tell that to the otherwise innocent people currently sitting on death row after shooting cops during no-knock raids. This whole thing stinks.
44
posted on
05/09/2007 3:29:52 PM PDT
by
BearCub
To: clearlight
Might have something to do with not giving every potential armed criminal on the premises the chance to train their weapons on the front door! And in the mind of a JBT everybody not a cop is a "potential armed criminal" and should be treated accordingly.
45
posted on
05/09/2007 4:48:47 PM PDT
by
Oztrich Boy
("Caesar - he is a barbarian and considers that the customs of his tribe are the laws of Nature")
To: BearCub
“Tell that to the otherwise innocent people currently sitting on death row after shooting cops during no-knock raids. This whole thing stinks.”
We used to have Peace Officers. Now we have Law ENFORCERS.
Subtle change, perhaps, but a terrible one.
46
posted on
05/09/2007 6:47:22 PM PDT
by
FredHunter08
(Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
To: FredHunter08
They’re not even law enforcers — they’re often law breakers. Mostly, though, they’re mere revenue generators.
47
posted on
05/09/2007 8:41:17 PM PDT
by
ellery
(I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
To: ellery
Theyre not even law enforcers theyre often law breakers. Mostly, though, theyre mere revenue generators. The jobs of peace officer and rev'nooer used to be separate, and I think both were better for it.
48
posted on
05/09/2007 10:00:56 PM PDT
by
supercat
(Sony delenda est.)
To: Grut
Well, OK, but remember that if you vote you can't complain... because you're saying that at least one of the candidates was 'good enough'.Thanks for that sage advice.
49
posted on
05/10/2007 6:44:53 AM PDT
by
AxelPaulsenJr
(Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
To: All
Being more of a libertarian at heart than even a conservative, I’m starting to rethink my position on the war on drugs. I hate drugs and currently support the drug war. However, is it really worth it to be trampling our civil liberties? I’ve always felt that the libertarians position on this was crazy. Now I’m not so sure...
To: dashing doofus
Hey, the same thing happened to me!
To: Old Teufel Hunden
Ive always felt that the libertarians position on this was crazy. Now Im not so sure... Excessive police power is always more dangerous than the crimes it was intended to prevent - but that can be hard to understand when people constantly see the effects of the crimes in their neghborhoods and the dangers of a future police state seem abstract. The 70's/80's War on Crime was well-intentioned, but it broke a 200 year continuum of citizen responsibility for local crime control that is going to be very hard to restore.
52
posted on
05/10/2007 7:25:12 AM PDT
by
Mr. Jeeves
("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
To: Mr. Jeeves
“but it broke a 200 year continuum of citizen responsibility for local crime control that is going to be very hard to restore.”
Especially with politicians like Bloomberg, Menino and Giuliani polluting the environment.
53
posted on
05/10/2007 7:37:32 AM PDT
by
dashing doofus
(Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
To: dashing doofus
The fact that these raids endanger the lives of citizens who are given all the clues they need to believe they are being attacked by a gang of home invaders concerns the authorities not at all. It is only seen as ‘regrettable” if it leads to inconvenient lawsuits.
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posted on
05/10/2007 8:13:04 AM PDT
by
arthurus
(Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
To: Grunthor
Recent history shows that to occasionally be the case but dead homeowner or citizen tenant is more often the case. And where the cop is killed self defense is normally prosecuted as a capital crime.
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posted on
05/10/2007 8:14:53 AM PDT
by
arthurus
(Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
To: bamahead; Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
1998 story about Rudy in NYC
Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
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posted on
05/10/2007 8:45:44 AM PDT
by
traviskicks
(http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
To: dashing doofus
Rudy is anathema to social conservatives AND libertarians, I have been saying that for a looong time. The Wilsonians, country-clubbers, authoritarians (police and nanny staters), and various deludeds/mistakens (followers of personality cults in particular) love him. He has no concept of the Constitution, no concept of liberty (especially not the two most important liberties - right to LIFE and RKBA, which Are not ONLY social conservative values!), and a blighted concept of morality (his moral code is one of Hillary-village authoritarian order-through-force that is entirely repellent).
57
posted on
05/10/2007 9:08:46 AM PDT
by
M203M4
(There ought NOT to be a law. (only Hillary in a dress can protect us from the terrists!!))
To: bamahead; dashing doofus
Is this event there?
If not, it should be.
58
posted on
05/10/2007 9:41:57 AM PDT
by
FreedomPoster
(Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
To: AxelPaulsenJr
For the sake of discussion, I would rather see the enemy in front of me than the 'friend' behind me about to stab me in the back.
I would rather see Hitlery get elected than Rewwwwwdy.
59
posted on
05/10/2007 9:56:32 AM PDT
by
Just another Joe
(Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
To: M203M4
When I worked in NYC, virtually everyone in my office was a real lefty except me, and many of them liked Rudy, though some thought he was conservative.
I think his political opportunism over 9/11 is shameful, but he is far from the only pol (in both parties), guilty of that, IMO.
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posted on
05/10/2007 10:59:13 AM PDT
by
dashing doofus
(Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber)
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