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Use of excessive force gets deputy suspended
Bay News 9 ^ | 5/3/07 | Bay News 9

Posted on 05/03/2007 8:41:59 PM PDT by Teflonic

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To: Michael.SF.
"63 in a 35?"

A point I was going to make but I was distracted. She was endangering others. I feel for her distress over her father. But what if she plowed into another car and killed others.

21 posted on 05/03/2007 9:14:17 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Windcatcher
There was no warrant out on her, she didn’t rob anybody, she wasn’t a shoplifter, a murderer, or even a vandal. She had no drugs and she wasn’t drunk.

At what point was all that information known to the cop? When she was driving 63 in a 35?, When she failed to pull over after being requested to? Maybe when she took off after she pulled over the first time?

And, on what basis can you firmly state she was not drunk?

Do you even have any idea of how many cops are shot or killed over routine traffic stops?

When some one takes off after being pulled over, the cop has to assume the worse.

This woman F'd up big time. The cop, I would say over reacted, but not, IMHO, to the point of brutality.

22 posted on 05/03/2007 9:21:57 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: Michael.SF.
"When some one takes off after being pulled over, the cop has to assume the worse."

This is where common sense needs to take over. He pulls her over, in the hospital parking lot. She's clearly frantic, pleads to be let go, that her father was having a heart attack.

Full stop. Hmm. Frantic woman, driving fast to the hospital. Immediate family member having a heart attack. Could she be lying?

If there is even one common sense brain cell operating, the answer has to be, at a minimum, "most likely, no -- she's most likely telling the truth." But of course, he's in robot mode, doesn't note the setting or her demeanor, and treats her as any other vicious speeder.

Sorry, but that just doesn't fly.
23 posted on 05/03/2007 9:28:38 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: Teflonic

Why did he only get 5 days of suspension? He should have been fired immediately.


24 posted on 05/03/2007 9:32:51 PM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: Windcatcher
I watched a second tape of the stop,this one was of a longer duration then the first, one shoiwing her give her license and registration to the cop. The article above tells a blatent lie, specifically: When Stabins went back to his car to run her plates and write a ticket, the woman waited three minutes, but then took off and drove a short distance to park her car.

Short is relative and he assigns motive for her reason for taking off. She was fleeing the cop (from his POV). That was where she blew it. She had no logical reason to flee after waiting.

The lack of common sense was on her part.

25 posted on 05/03/2007 9:35:10 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: Teflonic
I used to be really behind our police forces but over the years I’ve run into too many assholes like this guy. Give a man a gun,a badge, and authority and believe me he will lord it over you peons. I know there are many good cops out there but just as many idiots like this guy.
26 posted on 05/03/2007 9:38:21 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: Michael.SF.
"This woman F'd up big time. The cop, I would say over reacted, but not, IMHO, to the point of brutality."

I don't know if the officer over reacted. But I do know one thing. Doing sixty three in a twenty five zone endangered people who had nothing to do with this woman's problem and she had no right to do that.

27 posted on 05/03/2007 9:38:23 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Michael.SF.

It doesn’t matter whether she waited three minutes or three seconds. When he walked to his car to run her plates and write her a ticket, he clearly didn’t give a damn whether her father was dying or not. It’s clear to me that he likely did believe her, that she really was coming to the hospital, and he *still* wanted to ticket her and run her plates (hoping for a warrant out on her so he could make the big bust? — yes, I know dispatchers, too, and you’d be surprised how many officers here pull people over for literally anything they can think of just so they can run the plates). Either way, if he believed her it only proves the point — he was bereft of all humanity. Write the ticket, maybe find a warrant, and get the bust. “TEACH THAT SPEEDER A LESSON, DAMMIT! DOES SHE THINK SHE’S SPECIAL?” I know the type — I’ve met the type, many times (not as someone pulled over but simply because I know quite a few officers). Someone who had enough sense to see that she was hurrying to the hospital might have let her off with a warning — but I guess teaching people a lesson is more important than having any humanity anymore.


28 posted on 05/03/2007 9:45:30 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: Teflonic

Not clear why the woman’s father was driving himself to the hospital while having a heart attack. I can’t really blame the officer for being skeptical, and going 63 in a 35 zone is posing a serious risk to other motorists and pedestrians. It’s nice she cared so much about her father, but there’s really not much she could have done to speed his arrival at the hospital, and it’s not worth risking running down some kid crossing the street or causing a serious vehicle collision to get to the hospital a few minutes earlier.


29 posted on 05/03/2007 9:45:57 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Windcatcher
If she’s lying, so what That's the problem with society these days; aw, it's just a 'little' lie, what's the big deal? I think society would be alot better if people would just stop lying and just take it like an adult.
30 posted on 05/03/2007 9:53:37 PM PDT by srotaG adirolF (Hater of all things democRat)
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To: Teflonic
My Mom used to tell me that being ‘right’ isn’t the same as ‘doing the right thing’. How true. And my Dad used to remind me that you don’t want to take a situation where you are completely right and the other person completely wrong and let your lack of self-control turn it into a situation where there’s right and wrong on both sides.

My son is a deputy and he tells how appalled he was the first few times he saw himself on tapes from the camcorder in his car! He said he had no idea how curt he came across or how impolite he was when looking at it from a third-party perspective.

Doing 63 mph in a 35 mph zone is wrong, period. There are exceptions and one of them is when the person exceeding the speed limit, or otherwise disregard traffic laws, is responding to an emergency and using lights and siren to warn other drivers.

31 posted on 05/03/2007 9:53:43 PM PDT by jwpjr
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Langston: I don't know that he's there. I don't know that he made it to the hospital. He was driving himself.

Some seem to have missed that part - she was frantic to find out if he even made it there!

32 posted on 05/03/2007 9:56:38 PM PDT by Teflonic
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To: Eagles6

re: BTW, ambulances have no legal right to speed, even if they have someone dying in the back.

Are you sure?


33 posted on 05/03/2007 9:58:05 PM PDT by jwpjr
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To: Teflonic
It looks bad against the cop(s) on the video.
The vast majority of my own contacts with civilian LEOs have been positive and professional.
I have unfortunately, also experienced the “bad cop” routine several times.

I will await a few more facts to become public, before I firmly express a considered opinion on this matter.

34 posted on 05/03/2007 9:59:57 PM PDT by sarasmom ( The cover of my "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" is now flashing "Panic".)
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To: srotaG adirolF

You’ve entirely missed my point. She wasn’t lying, as we know, but the point is that, in the remote possibility that she was, the harm done to society was nil. In life lying is only rarely okay (e.g. to preserve someone’s feelings), but that’s not the point. The point here is that there was a clear upside to showing some compassion and the downside on the off chance that she had lied about going to the hospital was virtually nothing. In even a cold-blooded calculation of one vs. the other, I would hope that compassion would win out. Guess I’m wrong.


35 posted on 05/03/2007 10:01:04 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: Windcatcher
he was bereft of all humanity.

LOL

Now that is excessive!

36 posted on 05/03/2007 10:03:37 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: jwpjr

See post #17.


37 posted on 05/03/2007 10:05:16 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Michael.SF.

I’m a great fan of creative use of the English language :^)


38 posted on 05/03/2007 10:05:27 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: Teflonic

I’m thinking calling the hospital’s emergency room might be a better way to find out, than zooming through a 35 mph zone at 63, and being uncooperative with a police officer who tries to stop that dangerous activity. If she knew more or less what route he was taking, and learned that he hadn’t reached the hospital, the hospital could have sent an ambulance along his route quickly, and he could have gotten medical help as soon as he was found. What was she going to do if she found him stopped or crashed along the way? Call for an ambulance, I imagine. But people don’t always think clearly when they’re upset about something like this, and letting her off the hook was the right thing to do. I’m not sure the police officer shouldn’t have been let off too, but I haven’t watched the video. If the level of force he used would have been deemed inappropriate even if it HAD turned out she’d been lying, then he deserved the suspension.


39 posted on 05/03/2007 10:29:09 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Eagles6
He first stopped her at the ebtrance of the hospital parking lot. Good chance she's telling the truth.

In any case how hard is it going to be to first find if her father has been admitted, or has collapsed in the parking lot? And then charge her.

40 posted on 05/03/2007 10:34:50 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (No.. I said he was a Korean student, not a Koran student)
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