Posted on 04/28/2007 6:13:11 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
So this isn’t a free country?
I was there on 9/11. VERY few people could have pulled that city together like Rudy did . That place was in TOTAL chaos that day and while most in charge were running around in circles he pulled together 20 different agency’s and made fast accurate decisions and got the place back on track.
The Village Voice by the way is a TOTAL Marxist , Gay rag of a paper. They always hated Rudy and they usually throw facts by the wayside to make their points.
They’re more objective than most of the MSM.
You can’t be serious !
You know, you will never see a liberal rag like the Village Voice (who I think at one time Mayor Rudy refered to as “panty sniffers”) talk about how NOLA knew about the levee problem for 40 years and did nothing. They will just blame Bush.
I have mixed feelings about Rudy and given a choice between him and a real conservative, I will vote for the real conservative.
Being a New Yorker and having read the Village Voice since the 1970's, that is the funniest statement I have read on FR since signing up in 2001.
I like to remember that someone called 911 on a bad man for breaking the tree of life as I envision the twin towers as a symbol of our double helix.
The Village Voice is more objective than most of the MSM?
LOL! It’s definately to the left of the NYT.
“You know, you will never see a liberal rag like the Village Voice (who I think at one time Mayor Rudy refered to as “panty sniffers”) talk about how NOLA knew about the levee problem for 40 years and did nothing. They will just blame Bush.”
Yeh, yeh....is THIS close enough? (In fact, if you’ll read the entire Village Voice piece at the link, you’ll have to look very very hard hoping to find it a Bush bash)
“According to this 2003 article from Civil Engineering Magazine , “any concerted effort to protect the city from a storm of category 4 or 5 will probably take 30 years to complete. And the feasibility study alone for such an effort will cost as much as $8 million” and take about six years to complete.”
(remember that Katrina hit in Aug 2005.....this author cites a published piece from 2003)
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0551,kamenetz,71101,2.html
I just have trouble blaming Guiliani for the terrorist attack. It seems such a liberal thing to do.
The article you posted seems to throw around a lot of figures but aside from that doesn’t say anything cogent.
What about all the money that should have gone to the levees for the last 40 years but instead were spent on graft and patronage?
They really aren’t the same kind of articles, are they, as one seeks to place blame after the event and besmirch reputations while the other seems to blame Bush for not giving enough for Cat 5 levees or something while throwing around huge figures.
“I just have trouble blaming Guiliani for the terrorist attack”
But you have no trouble at all trying to pretend that the article does.
Just shameless or can’t read well?
The best I can summarize is it's all Rudy's fault. Don't blame the receiver if the messenger garbles the message.
Giuliani has never acknowledged a single failing in his own performance. Yet he did nothing before September 11 to alleviate the effects of a terror attack.
That pretty much says it all. What do you think the article is saying? Maybe we start there. As I recall, you offered "no comment." Maybe it's time to comment instead of garbling the message any further.
“I can’t really figure out what the article is trying to say. They use a lot of words but never really come to a point”
I already did this with another one like you.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1825337/posts?page=31#17
Very good, you would have saved a lot of time and confusion if you just said that in your first post. I see your point and take your point but it still feels like a lot of Monday morning quarter backing. And the terrorists are still the ones to blame
If you don’t like Rudy fine, but all this confusing articles does is make people who don’t get your point more sympathetic to Rudy. You would do better to promote the one you want instead of trying to tear down the one you don’t want.
actually, my mistake was thinking that you might have read more than the title that made you feel bad for poor ruuddee, whose only strong point is schlepping himself so well on a moments notice and such grandiose revisionism for the duration. God help us if he gets the nomination.
I’m not really a Rudy supporter. In fact, I haven’t been too impressed with the Big 3. I’m kind of leaning toward Thompson right now, Fred not Tommy, but I don’t think he’s announced yet.
So, actually your mistake, the big one, other then your attitude, is not promoting the guy you want. And making assumptions about people who misunderstood a poorly written article from a left-wing rag.
I thought this was a good article, and pretty objective. If Giuliani is going to run on his management skills related to 9/11, it’s absolutely fair to look at the details of what he did. And this article acknowledges both the good and the bad. Here’s how I would summarize it:
It talks about how important it was that the Mayor was there with everyone else, emitting calm — and it even criticizes Nagin for not doing the same during Katrina.
But it also covers in great detail that it was a grave mistake to set up two separate command posts, and establishes that it was Giuliani’s responsibility to do so, per his own emergency response protocols. It also talks about the lack of experience Giuliani’s top people had, and the preparation that was sorely lacking. These are established facts, and I’d be glad to provide links that aren’t from the Voice to those who doubt it.
Finally, the article gives Giuliani the benefit of the doubt for these mistakes. It didn’t say he was bad or evil — it said he was human and made a lot of costly mistakes in the heat of the moment, just as any of us would have.
I’m just confused by the vitriol — it appears that the author took pains to stick to facts without a lot of editorializing. If Giuliani is going to run on his 9/11 record, then his big mistakes on that day (and before) are as pertinent as the things he did right.
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