Posted on 04/27/2007 1:46:17 PM PDT by RKV
FYI
A lot of people have this strange idea that they instantly become Chuck Norris when danger rears its ugly head. In extreme danger situations, instinct to survive takes over unless you have been trained differently. Some people did attack the gunman.
Amen and pass the ammo.
Yeah, except that it took a long time for the police to get there.
Contrast the VT shootings with the recent, similar horror in Salt Lake City, UT. There, the murderer was stopped quickly because there was a man with a concealed weapon in the mall to stop him!
The emerging doctrine, while a major improvement over the previous, passive one, is still lacking somewhat in its treatment of self defense. It still favors the idea that "It’s OK. It’s going to be OK. They will be here soon.", since it doesn't encourage ordinary citizens to arm themselves and take the defense of their own lives into their own hands.
That’s why regular range time is a must. ;>)
Funniest thing such doors are banned everywhere anyway, so I wonder why Norris Hall still had them? Could there be some architectural tradition group that wants it that way or what?
Half a dozen or more shoots happened AFTER the cops could have gotten to the second floor if those doors had not been chained shut.
Half a dozen or more families have a fat lawsuit coming against the university and the Commonwealth of Virginia, and any individuals who can be held accountable for placing chainable doors in that building.
Concealed carry by citizens is the only logical choice. They are on scene, and with some basic practice can make a vital difference. And yes, there will be a screwup or two - humans are involved so Murphy’s Law is in force. It’s still better than the alternative.
Most doors can be blocked one way or another.
Police response, Flight 93, and VT Campus are 3 completely different situations.
Police reponse : You have people who have trained togther and know how to respond as a unit. Have guns/training, ect.
Flight 93 : The passengers had time to communicate, and come up with a plan of action. And knew that if they did not act, they were going to die anyway.
VT Campus : Kids are sitting in class, thinking about whatever, and a guy come in firing off one round every 3 seconds non-stop for 9 minutues. It’s a gigantic free-for all compared to Police Reponse and Flight 93.
Is this true? I was under the impression that they waited until the shooting had pretty much stopped, like they did at Columbine. I don't want to discredit the police if I'm wrong, but this isn't the way I heard it. BTW, this is the correct police approach to this kind of situation, IMHO, since 99% of these situations are going to involve untrained madmen, not well-trained commando types who know how to effectively take cover and shoot back.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you and the author of this piece are making exactly the same point -- and it's a really good one. Just as police are now willing to be more aggressive when needed, average individuals (mostly men) also need to recognize when it's time to actively fight back against evil.
Well, no one really wants to be the first one out in front.... Even “Let’s Roll” Todd Beamer was part of a larger group. And they took some time to organize things and get a vialbe plan of action.
My thinking is unless you’ve had some very specific training (like the military, police or security), most are liable (at the first seconds) to try to shield themselves. It’s not so unheard of, really.
So, the question here is whether students are really going to get any specific training to deal with this, or if it will be considered so rare that it’s not something that should be done. I’ve already heard of some school giving some training in defense (and attack) in a situation like this — but I don’t think this is going to be the rule.
Stop it! You're making me feel guilty!
The USC students took out the man with a gun last weekend....
Can you cite instances?
Don’t forget to join IDPA, IPSC, or some other practical pistol competition as well as getting a tactical pistol course on your shooting resume.
The issue is why Virginia Tech management installed and maintained doors that were so easily blocked with something so difficult to dislodge.
It's an engineering school ~ they know better!
Glass doors can be shattered.
He was not then able to blow up the bombs in his shoes.
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