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Ron Paul 2008 ^ | 4/27/2007 | Ron Paul

Posted on 04/25/2007 10:46:43 AM PDT by dvan

Check out Dr. Paul's credentials here. 100% Conservative! In a field littered with RINOs he is a refreshing change.


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To: dvan

Ronald Paul is a man of his word I’m sure...... excepting maybe about that term limit thing he once espoused. All said, he’s not the one to be POTUS no matter how strong of a conservative he may be. JMO........


21 posted on 04/25/2007 11:10:13 AM PDT by deport ( Cue Spooky Music...)
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To: dvan

I love Ron Paul. The constituents of his Congressional district are probably the best served in our nation. If he had a viable foreign policy that reflected today’s threats I’d be first in line to vote for him.


22 posted on 04/25/2007 11:12:54 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Paul isn't a "real" conservative. He's an isolationist, libertarian.

He shares many views with conservatives, but on many issues his views are very different.

23 posted on 04/25/2007 11:20:46 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Cyber Liberty

Duncan Hunter is and has cleared


24 posted on 04/25/2007 11:34:43 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: wideawake; OrthodoxPresbyterian
Ron Paul is a proven liar.

Where exactly has Dr. Paul lied?

He has stabbed our troops in the back

And exactly how has he done that? He never voted for the Iraq police action in the first place. To stab one in the back means you would have to change positions. Dr. Paul never did that

He is no conservative. He is a libertarian

Ah the standard Republican slur against anyone that doesn't support 'our' form of government waste.

25 posted on 04/25/2007 11:52:46 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears
Where exactly has Dr. Paul lied?

When he came to Congress he claimed to support term limits and pledged to serve only two terms. How many terms has he served?

And exactly how has he done that? He never voted for the Iraq police action in the first place. To stab one in the back means you would have to change positions. Dr. Paul never did that

The fact that he's always been as wrong as he is now has no bearing on the question of whether or not he's a backstabber.

Once troops are in the field you put aside your personal opinions and back them up 100%.

Ron Paul doesn't.

Ron Paul is a backstabber.

Ah the standard Republican slur against anyone that doesn't support 'our' form of government waste.

Ron Paul does not consider being called a "libertarian" a slur - unless he wants to deny that he was the Libertarian Party's presidential candidate in 1988.

Quit digging.

26 posted on 04/25/2007 12:02:25 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: tiger-one

I’m glad Hunter’s in the race. He’ll keep the heat on the rest of the candidates, even if he ends up languishing.


27 posted on 04/25/2007 12:07:36 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Don't ask.)
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To: wideawake
When he came to Congress he claimed to support term limits and pledged to serve only two terms. How many terms has he served?

And if memory serves he left and came back. Can he help it if his constituency wants actual conservative representation than some Republican hack representing them? Politicians can't change their mind on an issue? Once you picked it you're stuck with it? That's a lie in your world? Hell every politician, every human being on the face of this earth is a liar then...

Once troops are in the field you put aside your personal opinions and back them up 100%. Ron Paul doesn't. Ron Paul is a backstabber.

Yes because 'real' conservatives continue supporting a failure all the way until the very end right? You can paint it however you wish, but a pig's still a pig. The Iraq incursion will lead to nothing more than a few years, perhaps a decade if that, of a very fragile peace before it turns into a theocracy led around by the nose by Iran or perhaps another Muslim state. Good job there. But it'll give you a few years to 'hoo-rah' and claim the upper hand before it falls apart, which all incursions into foreign nations that don't represent a threat do.

Ron Paul does not consider being called a "libertarian" a slur - unless he wants to deny that he was the Libertarian Party's presidential candidate in 1988.

Yes and Reagan was a Democrat. So what? You can't change parties? That's verboten now is it?

28 posted on 04/25/2007 12:10:43 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: dvan

PaleoPaulie sounds good on a number of domestic issues until we note his antiAmerican antiwar foreign policy. No thanks, now or ever.


29 posted on 04/25/2007 12:18:27 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: dvan

Don’t try to sell limited government to a bunch of Republican partisans.


30 posted on 04/25/2007 12:21:29 PM PDT by TBP
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To: billbears
And if memory serves he left and came back.

Correct. He thought about keeping his pledge, but then decided to break it.

He told us it was a matter of principle. I guess his principles change if you offer him the right job.

Yes because 'real' conservatives continue supporting a failure all the way until the very end right?

The fact that you are a backstabber and that you agree with Ron Paul does not really help the thesis that Ron Paul isn't a backstabber.

Cowardly defeatism may be your thing.

It isn't mine.

The Iraq incursion will lead to nothing more than a few years, perhaps a decade if that, of a very fragile peace before it turns into a theocracy led around by the nose by Iran or perhaps another Muslim state.

Wow. Not only do you think you know everything, you think you know the future.

Yes and Reagan was a Democrat. So what? You can't change parties? That's verboten now is it?

Ron Paul, unlike Ronald Reagan, has not renounced his former party (if it even is a former party). He still considers himself a libertarian.

He was a featured speaker at the LP's 2004 convention.

Was Ronald Reagan a featured speaker at the Democratic National Convention while holding office as a Republican?

Such grasping at straws.

31 posted on 04/25/2007 12:25:51 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: dvan
He's against the WoT and he voted with the traitor Democrats on the Iraq War Resolution. He can go screw himself. I've been a Paul fan for over a decade. This betrayal is unforgiveable. He's wrong on the WoT and, despite his conservative record, he is unsupportable. He would cut and run, surrendering to the terrorists, as soon as he took office. That can't happen.
32 posted on 04/25/2007 12:29:04 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: dvan

Absolutely not! Has anyone heard what Duncan Hunter did at the General P. meeting today? He stood up and called for Harry Reid’s resignation! What a man! No wonder Nancy refused to attend! LOL!


33 posted on 04/25/2007 12:34:00 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: wideawake
He told us it was a matter of principle. I guess his principles change if you offer him the right job.

If I leave a position for 10 years or so and realize the idiots are still running the shop, shouldn't I try to step in if asked? His constituency has no problem with the issue and considering what the 536 idiots have done in their past I do believe you have no place to call Paul a liar. Shall I start to name the Republican and Democrat liars currently occupying office that have done far worse?

Cowardly defeatism may be your thing. It isn't mine.

Course it isn't. I realize you're doing your part for the 'war' effort just responding on a bulletin board. My you're brave....keep up the good work. If you're really up for it, go stand on a street corner and hold up a sign of your choice. That'll do wonders....

Wow. Not only do you think you know everything, you think you know the future.

Tagline, look at it, memorize it. Remember this conversation 25 years from now. History has shown clearly the 'success' of Western nations in the Middle East over the past 300 years.

Ron Paul, unlike Ronald Reagan, has not renounced his former party (if it even is a former party). He still considers himself a libertarian. He was a featured speaker at the LP's 2004 convention. Was Ronald Reagan a featured speaker at the Democratic National Convention while holding office as a Republican?

I do realize good 'conservatives' like yourself must get sand in your craw over this fact, but libertarians have helped Republicans get elected for years. Mainly because the lie Republicans have fed us that they believe in limited government. If the past 6 years hasn't taught us that, nothing will. Republicans didn't lose because more people voted Democrat, they lost because many people like myself are tired of hearing politicians lie to them over and over and over and over and over about how they believe in limited government, only to pass some of the largest expenditures in this history of this nation of states.

Going to a Libertarian meeting should be an outreach for Republicans and for years it was. Until Libertarians realized the lies never end with the 'conservative' party.

34 posted on 04/25/2007 12:47:34 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears
I do believe you have no place to call Paul a liar.

Except, of course, for the fact that he lied.

My you're brave....keep up the good work.

I didn't claim to be brave.

I do claim that our troops in the field are, and that they are not the failures you superciliously describe them to be.

One doesn't have to be courageous to realize that backstabbing is wrong.

History has shown clearly the 'success' of Western nations in the Middle East over the past 300 years.

Yawn. More defeatism. "Nothing can ever change. Just accept your lot."

Pretty sad rhetoric for someone who claims to admire the Founding Fathers.

I do realize good 'conservatives' like yourself must get sand in your craw over this fact, but libertarians have helped Republicans get elected for years. Mainly because the lie Republicans have fed us that they believe in limited government. If the past 6 years hasn't taught us that, nothing will. Republicans didn't lose because more people voted Democrat, they lost because many people like myself are tired of hearing politicians lie to them over and over and over and over and over about how they believe in limited government, only to pass some of the largest expenditures in this history of this nation of states. Going to a Libertarian meeting should be an outreach for Republicans and for years it was. Until Libertarians realized the lies never end with the 'conservative' party.

Yeah, uh-huh, great.

So you admit that Ron Paul is a libertarian, then?

35 posted on 04/25/2007 12:55:20 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: dvan

I’m interested in his plans to bring the troops home now, because if he does, we’ll need them here to fight the islamofasists. Maybe he thinks it’s better to fight them here than where they are. President Bush and I disagree.


36 posted on 04/25/2007 1:04:52 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Hate is not a Family Value; It's a liberal value)
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To: SE Mom
Ron Paul is who I always think of when it occurs to me that the far left and far right are meeting each other at the back of the circle

Great statement! Can I use it?

37 posted on 04/25/2007 1:07:44 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Hate is not a Family Value; It's a liberal value)
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To: wideawake
Except, of course, for the fact that he lied.

Bush lied, Cheney lied, Rumsfeld lied, Truman lied, Roosevelt lied, Reagan lied, Bush I lied, you lied, I've lied, see how fun it is? They all have lied about something. Changing one's position on a political issue is not a 'lie'.

I do claim that our troops in the field are, and that they are not the failures you superciliously describe them to be.

At no point did I claim any of the troops to be failures. However, and this is backed up from historical fact, the mission will over the long term be a failure. Iraq will not turn into a democracy over the long term. It may play as one but you can not force a nation to accept a form of government that is foreign to it (Japan and Germany both had attempted forms of democracy well before WWII). It just does not work. Especially in the Middle East. If they come to it eventually it may work. But considering the issues their form of religion has with democratic government, I don't see it happening.

Yawn. More defeatism. "Nothing can ever change. Just accept your lot."

Oh goodie, a brave new world sort of guy. 'We're Americuh so it's going to work this time. Heeelll yeeeaaahhh!!' Yes the Brits and the French had those sorts as well during their incursions. I even imagine the Crusaders did during the Second and Third Crusades. How'd that go for them?

Pretty sad rhetoric for someone who claims to admire the Founding Fathers.

Not only admire but remember their words. About not interfering in other peoples' business. Ooops, wasn't supposed to remember that bit huh? Rather just claim to know them, ignore their wisdom, and damn the torpedoes!!

Yeah, uh-huh, great. So you admit that Ron Paul is a libertarian, then?

Poor lad, admit it. That whole paragraph went right over your head didn't it?

38 posted on 04/25/2007 1:09:02 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: feedback doctor

Most certainly, whenever applicable:)


39 posted on 04/25/2007 1:11:07 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet & FredFan)
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To: billbears; wideawake
Yes because 'real' conservatives continue supporting a failure all the way until the very end right? You can paint it however you wish, but a pig's still a pig. The Iraq incursion will lead to nothing more than a few years, perhaps a decade if that, of a very fragile peace before it turns into a theocracy led around by the nose by Iran or perhaps another Muslim state. Good job there. But it'll give you a few years to 'hoo-rah' and claim the upper hand before it falls apart, which all incursions into foreign nations that don't represent a threat do.

Hey, I'd expect a call from Harry Reid's office asking if they can use that. I take it then Ron Paul will be one a cosponsor of any move for impeachment.

40 posted on 04/25/2007 1:12:50 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Hate is not a Family Value; It's a liberal value)
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