Move to block emissions 'swindle' DVD [Global Warming]

Guardian ^

[Smokin' Joe]

Not me! I’m from North Dakota, and I’m all FOR global warming!

[maica]

But I’m guessin’ they’re cool with Algore’s “Inconvenient Truth”.

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It’s a safe bet that every school child in the known universe whose school has access to a DVD machine will be seeing Algore’s “Inconvenient Truth”.

[aruanan]

It’s a shame that those who feel our climate change isn’t anthropogenic feel they must resort to Michael Moore-style lies to make their case. :-(

"feel" it "isn't anthropogenic"? We know it isn't anthropogenic. The reasons why it isn't anthropogenic are more solidly scientific than the sophistry that purports that it is.

Here, let me give it to you in a very, very short space so you won't lose the thread of the argument:

In the absence of human activity, the earth has regularly been going through cycles of heating and cooling.

The heating and cooling cycles are correlated with cycles in solar activity.

CO2 increases follow temperature increases; CO2 decreases follow temperature decreases.

Changes in solar activity drive changes in global warming and cooling; global warming/cooling drives changes in levels of atmospheric CO2.

Changes in atmospheric CO2 are the result, not the cause of, changes in global temperature.

Furthermore: solar-driven changes in global temperature change levels of human activity and population.

Increased human activity has caused an increase in atmospheric CO2.

Therefore, solar-driven changes in global temperature have also been responsible for the changes in the anthropogenic component of atmospheric CO2.

Both the "natural" changes in levels of atmospheric CO2 and anthropogenic changes are effects of a cause that lies entirely outside the realm of human control.

In either case, since the increase in atmospheric CO2 is the result, not the cause, of global warming, trying to decrease the level of the result can do nothing to decrease the degree of the cause. That is, since A causes B and B results in C, fiddling with degrees of C will do nothing to change A and attempting to do so is a waste of time and resources.

[sergeantdave]

The Stalinists have goosestepped on stage, led by the Marxist propagandists at the Guardian.

[shove_it]

I hoped Mr. Durkin and Wag TV have the resources to defend the inevitable onslaught of lawsuits.

[aruanan]

Yet what isn't shown is the massive CO2 forcing that has occurred recently. It is way out of proportion to the past.

Incorrect. Current levels of CO2 are within expected variations of CO2 levels typical of the last 5 interglacial periods. Besides, since levels of atmospheric CO2 are dependent on global warming and since this interglacial period is the longest (though not the warmest) of the past five interglacials (inclusive), it's not suprising that as the Earth has been warmed longer than average, the levels of warming-dependent CO2 would also increase.

[aruanan]

Why would increasing temp cause increasing CO2 ?

Warmer ocean waters can't hold as much CO2 so it comes out into the atmosphere. Also, biological activity causing the production of CO2 is greater when things are warm than when they're cold.

[Paladin2]

Note that ocean and lake temperatures around the globe are not a single value. There is apparently a huge CO2 flux into and out of the water each year that dwarfs the anthropogenic CO2 output (though it’s likely true that the atmospheric CO@ concentration increase is mostly man made). The oceans could be moving massive amounts of CO2 around the globe in the ocean currents.

[Jack of all Trades]

mark

[aruanan]

Why can't we have an unbiased examination of the data, rather than each side spinning things?!?

Spinning? Suppression of the fact that solar activity drives temperature change that drives change in atmospheric CO2 can hardly be called "spinning." It's outright deception.

[Paladin2]

"sounding an alarm about automobile emisions increasing dramatically to about 6.8 billion tons per year"

Note that China apparently has a huge number of underground coal fires that produce as much CO2/yr as all the US cars and private light trucks do (estimates run from this value to 1/2 of it). Perhaps the Kyoto types would like to go put out those fires (good luck).

[Former Proud Canadian]

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[InterceptPoint]

One possible factor is the reduced capacity of the water in the oceans to hold CO2 as its temperature increases. A warm soda goes flat (from losing CO2) a lot quicker than a cold one does.

That is exactly right. I use this example when I explain the Global Warming - Carbon Dioxide Hoax to my 80+ year old parents and my 8 year old grandson. They all 'get it'. Take that Al Gore.

[maica]

Both the “natural” changes in levels of atmospheric CO2 and anthropogenic changes are effects of a cause that lies entirely outside the realm of human control.

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Nothing is outside the realm of human control to secular humanists, who have convinced themselves of their own power, in lieu of any “higher” power.

[BillM]

Bingo!

[BillM]

As a scientist, I find it fascinating that you take a single point value for 2006 and feel you can plot it and compare it with computed statistical values that make up the curves. Do you know what the raw data, and it’s distribution look like?

If you average 1 and 100 you get 50.5 if you draw a line at 50.5, either of the only 2 values look outrageous.

Don’t go where you are so obviously unequipped to venture. It takes a few years to become a real scientist!

[Dick Bachert]

SO MUCH FOR “DIVERSITY.”

[Dick Bachert]

“THE URGE TO SAVE HUMANITY IS OFTEN A FALSE FRONT FOR THE URGE TO RULE .” H.L. Mencken

[Live free or die]

I was able to download this a few weeks ago and I STILL haven’t been able to digest all the great information they put into this. It’s a big pill to swallow.

[Centurion2000]

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