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Gun crackdown aims at bullets
Sacramento Bee ^ | 4/23/7 | Jim Sanders

Posted on 04/23/2007 8:00:25 AM PDT by SmithL

Assembly Bill 362 would put restrictions on ammunition sellers and require instant background checks of buyers.

Unsuccessful at keeping guns from gang members and criminals, California may target a new frontier in its crime-fighting efforts: ammunition.

Guns don't kill, bullets do, argues Assemblyman Kevin de León, a Los Angeles Democrat who is pushing the idea.

"I think it will lead to fewer deaths," he said of regulating handgun ammunition. "But I don't believe it's an end-all or a panacea."

The freshman legislator said his bill is particularly timely, given the rampage at Virginia Tech that left 33 people dead.

De León has proposed Assembly Bill 362 as a step toward making California the first state to conduct instant background checks on buyers of handgun bullets.

Among its provisions, the bill would require that personal information be collected from buyers of handgun ammunition, that such transactions be conducted face-to-face, not by mail, and that retailers store their handgun ammunition behind counters.

Critics claim that tighter regulation of bullet sales would create more hassles and higher costs for gun enthusiasts, but not necessarily cut crime.

"I don't consider criminals dumb," said Sam Paredes, executive director of Gun Owners of California. "They figure out ways to get around whatever is thrown at them."

"You'd have a lot of guys going to Nevada and bringing back a ton of bullets," said Wes Lewis of Guns N Stuff in North Highlands.

State law currently requires buyers of handgun ammunition to be 21 or older. But it does little to ensure compliance or to prevent sales to felons or individuals with a history of mental instability who can't own guns legally but might acquire them from friends or on the black market.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; idiotlegilators; yourtaxdollarsatwork
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Every time a KA politiko opens his/her mouth, I delight in the fact that I removed myself and family from that place.
Shame, after a while all there will be left besides the beautiful landscape is idiots.
21 posted on 04/23/2007 8:55:29 AM PDT by elpinta (Tagline temporarily out of service)
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To: ZULU
Some idiot leftist Dem Senator from New York suggested much the same thing but wanted a special “tax” on bullets. I can’t remember the guy’s name, but I think it sounded Irish.

Daniel Patrick Moynahan, Johnson liberal and drunkard. He wanted to put a 10,000% tax on ammunition.

22 posted on 04/23/2007 9:34:03 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: SmithL
"You'd have a lot of guys going to Nevada and bringing back a ton of bullets," said Wes Lewis of Guns N Stuff in North Highlands.

How about loaded ammo, you idiot? I don't expect much out of Democrapic legislators or reporters, but I expect the gun shop guys to at least know the difference between bullets and loaded ammo.

23 posted on 04/23/2007 9:36:12 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: SmithL

The black pit of stupidity in government has no bottom.


24 posted on 04/23/2007 9:39:20 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: absolootezer0

Simple. Primers will be illegal to own.


25 posted on 04/23/2007 9:57:25 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: absolootezer0
so how do they plan to deal with reloaders?

They can't ... or they will just ban it.

De León has proposed Assembly Bill 362 as a step toward making California the first state to conduct instant background checks on buyers of handgun bullets.

Sweet ... I'll be sure to have a trunk full of ammo if I go there.

26 posted on 04/23/2007 10:02:20 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: Publius6961

No, this is not stupidity, it’s part of the plan.


27 posted on 04/23/2007 10:13:29 AM PDT by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: Carry_Okie

bought a couple pounds about a month ago. do they hassle you in CA for that?


28 posted on 04/23/2007 10:22:45 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (stop repeat offenders - don't re-elect them!)
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To: Thud

FYI


29 posted on 04/23/2007 10:25:48 AM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: Ancesthntr

That’s the guy. How soon I forget!!


30 posted on 04/23/2007 10:31:48 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: absolootezer0
Not yet.
31 posted on 04/23/2007 10:38:50 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: absolootezer0
so how do they plan to deal with reloaders?

(Tongue firmly in cheek...) Well, they did say 'bullets' a lot in the article. So, you could still reload, if you didn't use bullets; ain't bulletless rounds called 'blanks'?

Sport shooters would get the fun of shooting, without wasting all them targets by putting holes in them.

That would save paper, that could be better used in bathrooms, which would alleviate the need for Sheryle Crow to only use one square per visit (unless she really REALLY needs two, or even three) and still reduce Global Warming®!

32 posted on 04/23/2007 10:45:22 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: redgolum

Worse... they will be illegal to possess.


33 posted on 04/23/2007 10:48:10 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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To: from occupied ga
Anybody ever ask Saint Sarah WHY, if nobody had guns, that the police (and Dem politico’s body guards) would still need them?
34 posted on 04/23/2007 10:48:57 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: smoketree
What happens to gun shows where hundreds of boxes of ammo are WERE on tables.

35 posted on 04/23/2007 10:54:43 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Disambiguator
Bullets are just one of four components of a cartridge, but expecting a legislator AND a journalist to know the difference is asking too much.

Since he targets specifically "handgun" bullets, I have some questions for him:Is a .22LR a handgun, or a rifle bullet?

.44mag, same question.

Is a semiauto .45 Thompson replica a handgun, or a rifle that uses handgun ammo?

The first doesn't affect me at all, since I only buy .22 cartridges, and don't know of anyone who reloads rimfires.

36 posted on 04/23/2007 10:58:47 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

Actually, back in the 70s, when buying ammo that could be used in a handgun in California, the clerk would ask you if you were going to use it in a rifle or handgun. Then you had to sign a form to that effect.

I always thought that was really stupid. I don’t think they do that any more, but CA has other egregious restrictions on the RKBA. One of many reasons I left that place long ago.


37 posted on 04/23/2007 11:04:42 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: ApplegateRanch
Anybody ever ask Saint Sarah WHY, if nobody had guns, that the police (and Dem politico’s body guards) would still need them?

She avoids uncontrolled debate like all liberals. Just like editorial page writes go unchallenged because of the one way nature of their media, the Brady whore and her accomplices only "issue statements" and never reply to challenges unless they set the challenger up themselves to as moronic easily answered questions.

38 posted on 04/23/2007 11:06:44 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: SmithL
I believe this will be struck down - if it ever becomes law - by the USSC, if not in lower courts, because this is an imposition of “laws or regulations that discourage or eliminate the private ownership or use of firearms”, a clear infringement upon the Constitutional right of ownership by over regulation.

IIRC, the USSC has already indicated such egregious undue burdening of the citizenry to exercise a Constitutional right is within itself, unlawful.

Given that, it very well may open all of California's firearm code to court scrutiny and spell the demise of current state restrictions.

39 posted on 04/23/2007 11:23:40 AM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: absolootezer0

Look what they tried to do in WI under the name of “Anti-Terrorism Legislative Package”

WCCA alert: Doyle/Baumgart bill gets worse (99% banned)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/614867/posts

Baumgart, Doyle Propose Gun Ban
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/612231/posts

Doyle urges fight against gun lobbyists
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3896049f7e88.htm


40 posted on 04/23/2007 1:02:04 PM PDT by quietolong
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